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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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how are you doing

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bespoke radio

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hi today's wednesday

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23 days into the new year just 304

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days left

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we've got a full year in front of us

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and we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network

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and kgra the planets

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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tonight

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fired up man

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fired up tonight pala harris is here

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that's right

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we're going to be talking about

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whistleblowers

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that's right we're going to talk about j

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allen heineck

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we're going to talk about ufology around

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countries uh in latin america we're

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going to do that it's gonna be a great

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conversation tonight really looking

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forward to this

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tomorrow night

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is another fader night

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with open lines all

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night long

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and that will be tomorrow night

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i do want to remind everybody friday i

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will be at the namm show that's right i

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will be down in anaheim california

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and then saturday night i am over at

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coast to coast am

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and my guests over on coast to coast

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we're going to talk about einstein i

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still can't get einstein we've got our

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baby einstein now right outlander

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what an experience that was with

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einstein so i'm excited about that and

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live from switzerland of course this

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year we are celebrating the 50th

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anniversary of chariots of the gods so

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over at coast wow

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and there you go i mean it's just what

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and uh sunday i'm going to be in bed i

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ready for another amazing week that

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we've got uh next week on fade to black

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yesterday on monday darylanka bashar

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hard to believe that darylanka lives

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so that's that's our week here

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and uh all right where am i at tonight

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um do head over to our website if you're

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not there right now and follow like and

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subscribe all of our social media which

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i am hanging out right now as i look oh

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and catalina we're number one and number

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of funny one that's the thing to do

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these days right you're the first poster

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you're the first viewer one

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that is me everybody i normally see now

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my uh chat room computer is further away

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camera for me to go into the chat i

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but i can read what you trouble makers

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are doing if you're looking so this

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computer here this laptop they're both

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but this one is the chat rooms

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and the network feed going out this one

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here as you can see

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that's our video so you can see me

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man i'm in a great mood can you tell

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i'm in a great mood it's gonna be

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awesome okay so anyway so what i was

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over on spreaker and kgra and then of

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course twitter is at j church radio

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follow me over there and use the hashtag

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f2b for the sandbox

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and uh join the conversation that's all

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going on over there any any questions or

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comments hashtag f2b

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jimmychurchradio.com all right

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crazy news day today it doesn't get any

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now i don't do politics on this show

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but what a crazy news day today i mean

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a lot of it has to be the political

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variety but which i would normally

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that nicolas maduro's order for u.s

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guido as the legitimate president of

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venezuela had just 72 hours to leave

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nancy pelosi has canceled president

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trump's state of the union address on

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the house floor that was scheduled for

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next week tuesday

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january 29th that

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that that's historical news

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will be in the history books in 50 years

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if they still study but yeah that's

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really really big deal that went down

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everything off president trump has just

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sent a letter to the north korean leader

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that wasn't all huge news and it all

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it's just crazy crazy news where we are

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now don't get too excited nobody was on

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and it wasn't really a flight

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it just hovered

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but you got to start somewhere right

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and that's we won't be here in 50 years

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thanks jace

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man you don't got to say that i won't be

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here in 50 years

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well i could be i would be

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105 years old

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the oldest man in the world died

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he's 115 118 years old

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japanese

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and uh yeah he died last week so no word

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yet on who is number two who the

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successor is to the oldest person in the

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world but yeah i would have to crank it

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to 105.

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i would uh you know what i would do it i

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would do it i'm not sure

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that i mean look at me i'm 55 years old

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i don't feel 55 i don't think 55.

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i think exactly like i did when i was 25

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i play guitar i listen to heavy metal

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mean i i don't know so the age of 105.

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what we you know

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they say uh 50 is the new 30. 30 is the

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new right right is isn't that what

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70 is the new 40 i don't know so what

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would that make 105. what would that

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make a buck oh five

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yeah you're living

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you guys are funny

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but you know what would 105 mean the way

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that people are talking today if i

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cranked it to 105 would i look 50

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would i look 60 i'll tell you what

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jane fonda have you guys seen jane

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fonda's new tv series oh it's not so new

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anymore grace and uh frankie

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have you peep that out

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and if you haven't you should go check

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it out and it reminds me going back to

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the show newsroom sorkins show on hbo

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but go check out jane fonda jane fonda

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is 81 years old

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go check out you know what if you didn't

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know her age and let's say you didn't

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even know it was jane fonda it's just

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some brand new actress right first

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acting gig you didn't know and you had

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to guess her age

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you would be off by at least 20 years

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i guaran there's just no way yeah and

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so there you go all right where am i at

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boeing

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all right i just mentioned i will be at

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the namm show this friday january 25th

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i'm going to be running around all day

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with a guitarist kurt james i'm very

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excited about that

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and uh

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today i was talking to kurt on the phone

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sent him some files some music and i

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think he's gonna do a little guitar work

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on it right so

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more on that as that develops uh how

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cool that's going to be but i will be

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hanging out with uh kurt james all day

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friday walking around the namm show

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we've got a lot of stuff to do a lot of

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business to get taken care of and that

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is friday january 25th if you're gonna

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be at the namm show hit me up on twitter

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let me know where you are i will be

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posting everybody in real time uh where

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i am at at the namm show that's this

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friday and then coming up next month

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it's only i can't believe i am going to

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say this it is exactly one month away

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it is the 2019 conscious life expo right

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here in los angeles california the lax

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hilton which is february 22nd

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through the 25th and like i've said

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every day

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we are celebrating the 50th anniversary

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of eric von danican chariots of the gods

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and our guest tonight bill harris of

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course is going to be there so is eric

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jason martel billy carson

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uh rabbi ariel bar uh zadok who i

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had on the show

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uh two nights ago is going to be there

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too as well and he is so dynamic linda

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molten howe right nasim haramane

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and i just lost one ear

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of my headphones and isn't that

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absolutely bizarre

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check oh man is the feed still in stereo

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the feeds in stereo

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why am i in mono oh god

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geez i hate this

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uh

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check oh i'm back gotta wiggle the cable

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it just it just

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died

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all right and so that is coming up next

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to soltechgathering.com right now it's

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the site i got to i did see a post

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earlier today

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saying uh do we ship

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shirts

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internationally yes we do and so if you

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want your official fade to black

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boom and the international stuff will

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pop up right there okay it's all simple

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let's get this show cracking happy

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birthday to today the one and only

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cheap trick front man

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robin xander

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is 66 years old

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that's right makes you want to what's

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your favorite cheap trick song

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right right that's a long list of hits

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what's your favorite cheap trick when

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you think of cheap trick where do you go

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right

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think about that

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live at buddha con what a what a great

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album

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so i don't want to pollute everybody

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with what um

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where where i go first but there's it's

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not their oldest but i think it's their

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best

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anyway no

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yeah new headphones these

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these headphones here okay kevin just uh

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posted up beats

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i've got

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the beats

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and i used them for

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you had to go back and and watch fade to

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black

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and see when i was using the beats those

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beats

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which were very expensive lasted me

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about

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three months

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the foam

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the leather

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all cracked broke apart started

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separating that that stuff fell apart

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cable issues

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and everything else and they sounded

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okay they weren't great

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not as nearly as nice as these sony v6s

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that i'm wearing right now and over at

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coast to coast i use tascams um i've got

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another pair of sonys um but uh i don't

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i that i used to use over a coast

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but probably at the namm show

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uh i'll be uh i think i'm gonna have

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some new headphones so it's funny that

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you did but i guarantee you i will never

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never waste money on beats

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again

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all right

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what's that the best cheap trick song

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he's a [\h__\h]

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[Laughter]

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dream police

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ah he's a [\h__\h] came in a second time

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look at that

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cheap trick is that before 1979

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i know what i'm playing uh yeah yeah

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yeah yes it is

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surrender live from buda con i agree

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with you that is an amazing i can't

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believe you guys aren't

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come on

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the flame that's what i'm talking about

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james

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coming in strong

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the

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flame all right i'll give you guys a tip

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uh there tascams coming out with new

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headphones but ashdown engineering

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has their meters headphones and

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they've been wanting to send those to me

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for a long time and i may i may take the

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plunge there but

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you know i'm committed to tascam and

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they've they've got some new headphones

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coming out so

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we'll see what happens on monday we'll

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see if i

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can get a pair of headphones out of

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the uh convention center on this day in

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history in 1968 the uss pueblo

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a navy intelligence vessel is engaged in

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the routine surveillance of the north

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korean coast

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when it is intercepted by north korean

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patrol boats

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they still have the pueblo

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you can go to

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google earth

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and look at it in satellite it's right

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there the uss pueblo you can see it

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parked at the dock

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and so they still have the boat but the

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surviving 82 man crew was released 11

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months later

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fader fact

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here you go this is a good one

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dutch

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bicycle company

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van hoof

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puts pictures

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of flat screen tvs

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on their bike boxes

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doing so

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saw an 80

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decrease in damage during shipping

510
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that their cover of don't be cruel is

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amazing that's really good cassandra

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that's pretty good but i'm going with

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the flame

514
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,520
anyway so you take a look at the van

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hoof shipping boxes they're bikes

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they've got a giant tv right on the side

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and they don't get damaged in shipping

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anymore that is your fader factor all

519
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right tonight paiola harris is here

520
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,280
we're going to be talking about

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whistleblowers little j allen heineck

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00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,039
project blue book and of course ufology

523
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:24,640
all around the world with a focus on

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latin america central and south america

525
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,720
tomorrow night's another fader night

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with open lines all night long

527
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,880
let's do this um i mentioned at the top

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of the show

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that i don't do politics i just don't i

530
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don't i i dabbled in it for a minute and

531
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all it did was get it just get me just

532
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:45,039
all wound up right i just don't do power

533
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,640
there's a few things that i don't cover

534
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,360
on the show but politics is one of them

535
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,080
but what i do do is the conspiracy of

536
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,080
politics and right now we have the

537
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,840
craziest things going on

538
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,440
possible right right now not only here

539
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,120
in the united states of course but

540
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:02,799
internationally

541
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,600
and it seems that latin america

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hasn't been in the news like it has been

543
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in the past right just about every

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country in central and south america has

545
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been influenced one way or another by

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the united states and the cia over the

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00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,880
years island nations too as well

548
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,520
right and it is you know it's like pick

549
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:25,520
a country

550
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:30,799
think about it civil wars overthrows

551
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:33,840
dictatorships money the cia

552
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,120
united fruit company right

553
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:38,880
there you go

554
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,159
but after the invasion of panama

555
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,520
and the removal of manuel uh noriega we

556
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,520
haven't heard much about overthrowing

557
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,679
nations to the south right it just

558
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,000
really hasn't been part of our game

559
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,760
at least on the surface because you know

560
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,080
the conspiracy has never ended but that

561
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,559
was until today it seems that we are on

562
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,799
the brink of another various situation

563
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,480
in venezuela

564
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,640
president donald trump's decision to

565
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,360
recognize venezuelan opposition leader

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00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,919
juan gaido as the country's interim

567
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president sets the stage for dramatic

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escalation in the coming days

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as forces within and outside of

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venezuela wrestle to determine its

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future and i am very concerned

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when maduro

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reacted to this

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ordering american diplomats out of the

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country within 72 hours and guayedo

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swore himself into office declared that

577
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maduro had been opposed and that

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americans

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can and should stay

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right and then the response from

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washington

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here you go right harm any of our staff

583
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and the hammer is gonna fall well there

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you go

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i can tell you this was certainty

586
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this was all planned

587
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it was all planned for a very long time

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there are other players on the

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international scene as well and i'm

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talking about russia and china

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this is a very serious game of

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confrontational chess

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these moves were all planned ahead

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and there was a lot on the table

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and under it

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it's called oil

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this isn't about a bad leader or a bad

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economy or the starving venezuelan

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people he may be bad and they may be

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hungry and that's the story that will be

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spun for sure but

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it's about big banks

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big money

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and big

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very big oil

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the proven oil reserves in venezuela are

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recognized as the largest in the world

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totaling

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297 billion barrels

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now in comparison to number two

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that's right

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saudi arabia's reserves stand at 265

613
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billion barrels

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so there you have it

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that's it there's your answer

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there is no other

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if venezuela

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didn't have any oil

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we would stand by and do nothing

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we would let the bad guy starve his

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people

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and that my friends is the conspiracy of

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politics that is the crime

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of what is going on right now now

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there's there's two ways that i look at

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this there are seriously two ways that i

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look at this actually three one that i

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just presented to you right here

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but the other one and and i'm being very

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serious

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if we are so concerned about the

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government down there and so concerned

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about the people and the food and the

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money in the economy and what has

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happened

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you know to the good people of venezuela

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if we were that concerned why didn't we

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do anything five years ago

639
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it was bad then why didn't we

640
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right

641
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so it's a strange situation here we

642
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can't look like these heroes right we're

643
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gonna go in and do it's it's just a

644
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wrong way to approach this because quite

645
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frankly should have done this a long

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time ago and the other way that i view

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this and i and i truly mean this

648
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i lived uh fairly close to venezuela

649
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geographically you know pretty close but

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i live down in panama and i can say this

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uh

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because i live there

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that central and south american people

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it doesn't matter what country are all

655
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beautiful unbelievably cool fun to hang

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out with love the united states they

657
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love the world they love everything you

658
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know that's that's the way that it is

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right and they certainly recognize the

660
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support and

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the economy that the united states

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brings to their countries that that's

663
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,400
part of it all of them would love to

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visit the united states if they could

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and if they can they do

666
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right and that's the truth about it and

667
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that's why i feel so bad about the

668
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people of venezuela you know and what

669
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they are going through here and what

670
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they are about to encounter

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i left panama before the invasion

672
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i left it i i wasn't there for that but

673
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i was there for some very very tense

674
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moments and it's not it's not a fun

675
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:39,919
situation to go through

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so i'm serious my thoughts and prayers

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00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,960
are with the good people of venezuela

678
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,520
hopefully this is going to be a smooth

679
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,240
thing that goes down maduro ain't going

680
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to go out easy it's just not going to

681
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happen that way

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it could and i hope that it does with

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that i'm going to get out of here i'm

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going to take a quick break i'll be back

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with our guest paola harris this is fade

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means

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tonight and if you have any questions

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fader night open lines all night long

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paola harris is an italo american

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photojournalist and investigative

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reporter in the field of ufos and

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extraterrestrial related phenomenal

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research with a master's degree in

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education she is also a widely published

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freelance writer she has studied

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extraterrestrial related phenomena since

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1979

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from 1980 to 1986

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she assisted dr j allen heineck with his

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ufo investigations and has interviewed

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many of the top military witnesses

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concerning their involvement in the

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government truth embargo in 1997 ms

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harris met and interviewed colonel

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phillip corso in roswell new mexico and

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helped get his book the day after

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roswell for which she wrote the preface

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translated into italian paolo's books

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include connecting the dots making sense

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of the ufo phenomena how to speak to a

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ball of light exo politics stargate to a

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new reality all above and beyond and her

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latest book conversations with colonel

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corso details the army and corso's role

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in back engineering alien technology in

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the pentagon she's spoken around the

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world including ireland england norway

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switzerland columbia argentina chile

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germany and belgium her production

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company is star works usa llc and she

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produces the star works usa laughlin

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ufos and consciousness

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conferences right there that are held

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each november i would like to welcome

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back to fade to black payola harris pala

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good evening how are you

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i'm doing well it's so good to hear you

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jimmy but let me tell you i was born in

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italy i'm italian so i find it a lot

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easier it's just if the americans call

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me paula because my italian name is

843
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,200
paula

844
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,400
so it's it's hard it's hard so paul is

845
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,800
just fine you know what's funny that i

846
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:50,800
call you paula when we're talking and

847
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,119
then but formerly in public i try to

848
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,920
change it and i goof it up every time

849
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,520
i know i'm just worried because

850
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,119
sometimes the word payola means that

851
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,359
you're paid off for playing a record

852
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:03,680
it's like in the old days that's what

853
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,480
the dj's used to get for you know

854
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,960
playing certain records so i think paula

855
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,119
is just let's do pilot because you and i

856
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,280
and reader friends and we've known each

857
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,200
other for a while let's just do that

858
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,960
it's easier all right we'll go paul

859
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,560
apollo's good well

860
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,800
this is where what have you been up to i

861
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,119
can't believe it's been uh so long since

862
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,720
uh you and i have talked and had you on

863
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,800
the show what have you been up to

864
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,200
well it actually ironically you had me

865
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,119
on the show when your mom died the day

866
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,960
your mom died which i was just

867
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,200
devastated right and you got on a plane

868
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:37,040
to go i think it was to florida that's

869
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,320
right uh

870
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,040
yeah and and i've been up to i work all

871
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,640
the time so what have i been up to i've

872
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,400
been all over the place because you

873
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,560
named all the countries and quite

874
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,359
frankly i'm more of an international uh

875
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,520
journalist i'm not a ufologist so let's

876
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,920
get that clear i'm a journalist which

877
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:56,400
means i have to cover all the stories

878
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:00,960
and uh from 1992 to 2007

879
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,839
my house was in rome my apartment was in

880
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,760
rome near the vatican so i worked at the

881
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,480
american overseas school and that money

882
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,240
that i made teaching english i have a

883
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,079
master's in education

884
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,480
i was able to do research over there and

885
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,640
then from there i could go to countries

886
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,560
because like when you're living in italy

887
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,480
it's next door to switzerland is next

888
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,200
door to spain it's next door you know to

889
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:25,839
england and so i was working there i

890
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,520
returned to the united states in 2007

891
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,680
uh because i have two grown kids here in

892
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,160
boulder colorado and i'm getting old and

893
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,480
i wanted to be where the kids were so

894
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,040
uh you know i'm living now outside of

895
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:41,920
boulder colorado and i love it here

896
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:44,720
and so do i still travel yeah because

897
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:47,839
the planet has become my home

898
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:50,640
the i remember the

899
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,560
videos of colonel corso over in italy

900
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,960
and that that was a pretty dynamic time

901
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,800
for you wasn't it

902
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,440
yeah but even even were even more

903
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,320
interesting is how i met corso i was i

904
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,480
was working for a magazine i still write

905
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,040
for x times um i was working for a

906
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,280
magazine at that time called area 51 and

907
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,520
my boss who's going to be in laughlin

908
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,079
this year by the way maurizio bayata

909
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,160
sent me to the 50th anniversary and he

910
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,640
said go find this guy named corso

911
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,720
uh because he's got a brand new book out

912
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,320
and i want you to do the story and i

913
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:26,720
don't want to do it i at that time i was

914
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,599
suffering over a romantic situation i

915
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,359
was depressed i did not want to come

916
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,920
back to united states but i ended up

917
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,079
coming back because we had some friends

918
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,160
that picked me up at the airport i end

919
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,640
up in roswell everybody and his brothers

920
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,640
there i mean this was the 50th

921
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,040
anniversary willie strieber

922
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,560
um you know john mack uh bud hopkins

923
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,640
linda everybody was there because this

924
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,119
was the big 50th anniversary and there

925
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,280
was no place to sleep jimmy there was no

926
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,400
place for me to do the story i didn't

927
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,960
even know corso looked like i ended up

928
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:02,640
at the press uh

929
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,440
media people i got i've got to do a

930
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,000
story so don't put me in a hotel that's

931
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,000
50 miles away and they said

932
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:14,400
it's all booked up since february

933
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,839
and and they said if you want to stay

934
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,440
here just look at the phone book i

935
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:19,680
opened up the phone book the first place

936
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,960
i called was the sally poured in and i

937
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,440
and there was one room

938
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,839
one room there for three days and that

939
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,320
room was next to philip corso

940
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,960
see that's the universe right there

941
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,119
that's the universe yeah

942
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,560
well is that weird yes or is that weird

943
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,400
i mean i didn't know because i didn't

944
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,119
know what he looked like i end up at the

945
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:45,440
briefing there at the museum if you've

946
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,560
ever been to

947
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,359
roswell um and i'm standing there and i

948
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:51,119
don't i see him up there and i don't

949
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,560
know how in the world i'm going to talk

950
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,040
to him and this blonde guy comes up to

951
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,040
me and says you're italian and i said

952
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,480
yes and he said

953
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:00,480
why don't you ask my father a question

954
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,200
in italian and uh and i said who's your

955
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,200
father he said colonel cursed so he said

956
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,359
you i said i don't want to do it because

957
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,880
all the cameras are pointing this way he

958
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,040
took his hand he shoved me into the

959
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:13,760
crowd i asked colonel corso a question

960
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,880
about the santilli footage which is the

961
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:19,520
autopsy you know the alien famous alien

962
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,760
autopsy footage

963
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:24,160
and he answered me saying that he

964
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,359
thought it was

965
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,560
uh very familiar to him because as part

966
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,160
of the artifacts that he had he had this

967
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,160
lens covering

968
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,800
that which was the eye of the being you

969
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,079
know of the clone of the

970
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,560
extraterrestrial biological entity he

971
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,520
said he had this lens and in the

972
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,359
centelli footage if you remember they

973
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,599
peel it off the eye right they p and

974
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,359
then there's like a pupil underneath and

975
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,839
he he he said to me i want to talk to

976
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,760
you and i didn't know that he was next

977
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,720
door

978
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,960
and uh when i saw him coming out of his

979
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,000
hotel

980
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,480
later uh he he came to my room and gave

981
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,280
me an incredible interview at 7 30 in

982
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,319
the morning and from that point on i

983
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:08,560
invited him to italy twice

984
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,200
he spoke in italy twice we were able to

985
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,160
film him he spoke to doctors scientists

986
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,280
and so forth where he really jimmy was

987
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,359
not really appreciated in the united

988
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,160
states at the time there was a lot of uh

989
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:24,480
criticism there was a lawsuit against

990
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:25,440
the book

991
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,319
uh so i was lucky by accident or design

992
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,359
to have been close to this man

993
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,079
the the book changed things for me too

994
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,040
as well and uh i bought it the day that

995
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,480
it was released

996
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,680
and i remember there was such uh there

997
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,160
was such a fervor you know around the

998
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,040
book and check this out i'm at my

999
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:52,480
dentist's office right and and i'm and

1000
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,280
my

1001
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,720
dentist his mom uh was the receptionist

1002
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,560
very very cool lady

1003
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,680
and

1004
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,400
she somehow we start talking about ufos

1005
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,640
and she mentions the book and i was like

1006
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,000
i just bought it

1007
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,319
she goes really i said yeah i finished

1008
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,640
it you know in in two days and she goes

1009
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,599
well

1010
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,359
can you bring it in

1011
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,520
and i had to come back the next day i

1012
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,280
bring the book with me i didn't get that

1013
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:19,280
book back for a year

1014
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,440
that thing changed hands it went around

1015
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,839
and influenced so many so many people

1016
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,599
wanted to read the book i got the book

1017
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,400
back a year later all beat up and

1018
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,359
but everybody wanted their hands on that

1019
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,920
book yeah absolutely it was a it was a

1020
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,520
game changer still is we're talking

1021
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,280
about it today

1022
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,920
it is a game changer and the reason for

1023
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,640
me this is a personal observation

1024
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,560
was because i never understood why the

1025
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:49,119
cover-up was a cover-up and i thought oh

1026
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,640
well that's because it's going to scare

1027
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,319
the whole world it's because it's going

1028
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,119
to threaten religion and all this and

1029
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,960
when i read it and then when i became

1030
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,680
you know i knew him very well i mean he

1031
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,880
came to rome i spent hours with him uh i

1032
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,359
realized that the real secret the real

1033
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,040
cover-up is all about the back

1034
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:09,440
engineering technology and of course

1035
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,400
today in 2019 and you know because

1036
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,680
you've talked to emory you've talked to

1037
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,000
so many whistleblowers that this

1038
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,400
technology is not something that they're

1039
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,000
going to throw in the trash it's not

1040
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,920
something they're going to ignore it's

1041
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,319
something that that the industry wants

1042
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,640
and it's something that produces money

1043
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,119
and it's part of an economy and i didn't

1044
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,119
realize that until i read colonel

1045
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:33,599
corso's book i want to circle back to

1046
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,480
this a little bit later and cover this

1047
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,800
more in depth but what i wanted to ask

1048
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,440
you about really quick uh before we get

1049
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,599
uh out of this segment

1050
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,880
is project blue book because

1051
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:49,200
well obviously uh

1052
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:50,319
the

1053
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,160
right now but you worked with jay allen

1054
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:01,119
heineck for six years almost seven years

1055
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,560
and

1056
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:04,480
when you watch i want your first

1057
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:08,400
reaction when you watched episode one

1058
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,240
is this based on reality

1059
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,270
the actual cases are real there were

1060
00:44:22,510 --> 00:44:19,599
seven a hundred and one cases and blue

1061
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,520
books started in 1952 finished in

1062
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,200
1969 with the whitewash at the

1063
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:27,920
university of colorado with the conde

1064
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,440
report however knowing alan and i call

1065
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,760
i'm going to call him alan sure alan

1066
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,000
first of all never went anywhere without

1067
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,440
a pipe and they're not letting the

1068
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,359
factor have a pipe for some reason or he

1069
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,599
doesn't want a pipe he never went

1070
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:44,319
anywhere i never saw alan without his

1071
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,240
pipe and number two allen allen was very

1072
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:51,520
thoughtful uh quite distracted at times

1073
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,720
but he but the uh the addition of the

1074
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,200
paranormal of the men in black

1075
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:59,599
uh reminds me the show reminds me a lot

1076
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,119
of the x-files sure so uh i think it's

1077
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,599
it's modeled on that for people to watch

1078
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,480
uh it's uh you know fictionalized for

1079
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:11,440
people to watch but the actual cases

1080
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,560
are real

1081
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,280
uh except you know the first case there

1082
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,480
with the with the uh uh the pilot i'm

1083
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,280
not sure that the pilot in the real case

1084
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,000
and rupell was involved in that was

1085
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,160
listening to a song fly me to the moon

1086
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,160
and it was you know in his mind i mean

1087
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,880
they added the paranormal layer uh with

1088
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,280
this with this obsession with this song

1089
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:36,079
that he heard and so forth uh i'm not

1090
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,280
sure that part is real uh but the actual

1091
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,680
cases are real it reminds me a lot of

1092
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,920
the x-files quite frankly well

1093
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,480
they've definitely modeled it after the

1094
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,119
x-files but what i am more concerned

1095
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,560
with and i'm okay with that you know

1096
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,720
it's the easy way out for them that the

1097
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,480
formula is laid out

1098
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,800
and and you know that takes the mystery

1099
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,319
out of what they're gonna do with the

1100
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,680
show and how they're going to produce it

1101
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:00,560
but

1102
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,440
i'm more concerned about the legacy of

1103
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,119
jay allen heineck

1104
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,839
and and moving into what you know

1105
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,599
because i didn't know the man

1106
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,680
but it seems like there's a lot of

1107
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:13,760
creative license and freedom that is

1108
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,040
going on here now you've uh you've

1109
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,079
talked to paul right his son paul yeah i

1110
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:22,960
i knew the family me me and paul and no

1111
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,760
mimi was nothing like she oh my mimi was

1112
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:28,880
nothing like the mimi and the show mimi

1113
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,319
was interested in archaeology uh mimi

1114
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,760
was an intellectual uh she was

1115
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,520
not like the housewife in the show and

1116
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,760
there was certainly no russian agent

1117
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:41,520
that would ever follow mimi around she's

1118
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,079
a strong lady so yeah there's a lot of

1119
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,240
license in the show but you gotta

1120
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,480
remember ellen heineck was a professor

1121
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,880
he was your absent-minded professor he

1122
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,880
wasn't and i don't think he was an

1123
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,359
adventurous person who climbed trees and

1124
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,319
the second in the second episode he's it

1125
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,800
the flatbush case he's climbing the tree

1126
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,640
now i i don't think he did that kind of

1127
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,960
stuff uh basically what's great about

1128
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,839
alan though jimmy is that alan started

1129
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,319
out as a skeptic and he's one of those

1130
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,800
wonderful people and i love these people

1131
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,520
that change their mind uh he's one of

1132
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,079
the people that went along with this

1133
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,800
uh the swamp gas stuff you know he could

1134
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,599
never live down i remember he used to

1135
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,599
tell me everybody's angry with me

1136
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,760
because i'm a johnny come lately they

1137
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,839
all knew it was real and i went with the

1138
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:32,480
you know swamp gas explanation

1139
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:36,160
so he never could live that down and um

1140
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,440
you know but he was he was a curious man

1141
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,920
he was a thorough in in his

1142
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,400
investigations but he had the courage

1143
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,880
enough to go on his own and i

1144
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:49,680
uh became a member of his center for ufo

1145
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,440
studies in evanston illinois and he had

1146
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,520
the files there that he was working on

1147
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:57,760
what i did for him was translate his

1148
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,359
italian files his italian sightings

1149
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,240
did uh the obvious question of course

1150
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:07,119
here paula is this did he ever confide

1151
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,240
in you uh anything that you can speak

1152
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:12,480
about here about uh

1153
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,839
et's uh government knowledge uh his

1154
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,160
experiences

1155
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,280
uh yeah well he he was angry because he

1156
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,800
he kept saying they're not telling me

1157
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,079
everything

1158
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,520
he kept saying no they're not telling

1159
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,520
they're hiding so much from me they're

1160
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,119
not telling me everything uh you know so

1161
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,119
he couldn't get the truth he couldn't

1162
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,599
get the whole story and

1163
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,520
the the confining part was he was more

1164
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:39,760
of a teacher and a mentor to me because

1165
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,640
at that time and and i've grown up a lot

1166
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,520
all he had me do was put pins and maps i

1167
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,359
mean he'd call me and he'd say there's

1168
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,480
five

1169
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,440
uh sightings in indiana put the pin on

1170
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:53,680
the map and i was doing these what we

1171
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,280
call waves uh i we don't have waves uh

1172
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,079
as much today and who covers this is

1173
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,880
mufon today but uh i was putting pins

1174
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,559
and maps i don't want to hear what was

1175
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,240
inside the craft i don't want to have to

1176
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,280
do with contacts or aliens or anything i

1177
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,240
was the black and white nuts and bolts

1178
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,599
you know person

1179
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,400
but once he sat me he took once i drove

1180
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,720
him to a place here in denver where a

1181
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,880
contact he was telling him

1182
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:22,960
the story and he you can see alan

1183
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,040
leaning over with his pipe

1184
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:27,760
and uh and listening to every word and i

1185
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,559
was

1186
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,480
and as i'm sitting there going this

1187
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,280
person is crazy why is ellen giving in

1188
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:35,920
all his time you know this person is is

1189
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:38,640
not telling the truth and so forth and i

1190
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,440
went outside and i said to alan why why

1191
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:43,839
did you spend so much time he said one

1192
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,559
thing i have to teach you he said is

1193
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,800
that when you are listening to any

1194
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:51,760
witness you let them tell a whole story

1195
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,119
and do not prejudge or have preconceived

1196
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,319
notions he said the story is that you

1197
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,359
must listen so i learned a lot from him

1198
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,040
and then he said to me and i'll never

1199
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,800
forget this and i've talked to jacques

1200
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,760
valle

1201
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,559
since he said paula the paranormal is

1202
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,119
mixed up with this and don't ever throw

1203
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:13,760
the baby out with the bathwater

1204
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:16,880
do you think that uh

1205
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,760
there there are certain things that have

1206
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,760
already been revealed in project blue

1207
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:24,240
book and i can see where this is going

1208
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,520
that

1209
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:26,800
either

1210
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,720
uh dr heineck lived two lives right one

1211
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,640
that we don't know about and the other

1212
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,800
one is the public one that we do know

1213
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,680
about

1214
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:37,760
that he was out there

1215
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:40,720
you know that he made contact he crashed

1216
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,760
in an airplane and was out doing these

1217
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,319
these crazy investigations and and

1218
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,160
seeing things that he just didn't reveal

1219
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:52,960
you know and and i i go back to paul

1220
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,839
heineck is this stuff that maybe paul

1221
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:58,079
and the family have revealed to the

1222
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,119
writers

1223
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,760
that this was actually going on in jay

1224
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,599
allen heineck's life what do you think

1225
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,400
about that no uh no he didn't do that

1226
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,559
kind of for people to know what allen

1227
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,240
heineck was like they've got to read

1228
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,319
jack vale's books they're called

1229
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,160
forbidden science

1230
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,960
volume one two and three and and jack

1231
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,200
gave me his books and i after reading

1232
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,359
those books i got the whole story i got

1233
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,200
because it's their journals their

1234
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,839
diaries and and jacques talks about

1235
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,839
being with alan in these places all

1236
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,200
around the world

1237
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,119
allen like most of the people that

1238
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,599
research was looking for funds funding

1239
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,200
money to do this

1240
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,960
because even though he went off on his

1241
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,119
own he needed funding and i remember the

1242
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,359
whole funding question

1243
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,440
and he would go to different places and

1244
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:45,680
observe like i said to you he was great

1245
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,839
at listening he reminded me a lot of

1246
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,839
john mack who used to do the same thing

1247
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,720
he used to listen for hours he was not

1248
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,040
an adventuresome jump on a horse go do

1249
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,119
your own thing type no he was a

1250
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,720
professor and and his passion i i went

1251
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:02,480
on vacation with him

1252
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,240
to new mexico to santa fe with him and

1253
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,640
mimi and i remember his passion was

1254
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,880
astronomy he loved to look through a

1255
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:12,640
telescope they don't even have him doing

1256
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:15,520
that there uh he had his own observatory

1257
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,680
i think he had his own telescope down

1258
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:19,920
near socorro uh

1259
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,960
he looked at the stars he he he was a

1260
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:25,839
professor he taught he taught

1261
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,880
at northwestern he wasn't the type to

1262
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,400
you know

1263
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,800
adventures climb trees jump on a horse

1264
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,119
go go in the in the back woods he

1265
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,359
wouldn't do that kind of thing he wasn't

1266
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,240
really like that and i think the the air

1267
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,640
force brought him in because the air

1268
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,400
force already knew the truth i mean you

1269
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,880
could see i believe they already knew i

1270
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,960
already i are i believe they already

1271
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,400
thought it was a matter of national

1272
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:52,800
security but they wanted a reputable

1273
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,119
person to tell them stuff and a

1274
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:57,920
reputable person would be a professor

1275
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,800
what about uh the the whole men in black

1276
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,520
government interference part of what is

1277
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,760
starting to evolve in project blue book

1278
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,920
with a j alan heineck when you were at

1279
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,920
the center of ufo studies

1280
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,680
was there anything

1281
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,040
you know was

1282
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,160
did anything feel not right was there

1283
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,200
any agent type people running around did

1284
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,359
you ever see any activity like that no

1285
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:22,800
but you got to look at the dates the

1286
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,119
dates were 1952

1287
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,160
and he stopped in 1969

1288
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:30,960
or it finished blue book finished in 69

1289
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,559
and no one ellen

1290
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:34,559
stopped working with them so what you're

1291
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:37,760
getting is the 1950s and the 1950s were

1292
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,119
full of stories of men in black 1950s

1293
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,480
and 60s that was when the uh the men in

1294
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,480
black situation so i'm thinking they're

1295
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,520
g-men you know like the fbi men like i

1296
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,319
lived back in those days we had uh you

1297
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:54,880
know a lot of stories of the fbi gmn

1298
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:57,920
dragnet uh all these stories back and

1299
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:01,280
then and i think that that that was back

1300
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,559
then i in 1980 i think we had passed

1301
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,200
that stage of men in black and so forth

1302
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,400
there there is cia there are people

1303
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,720
in the in the intelligence community

1304
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,480
that that are in charge of this that

1305
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,480
want to know

1306
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,559
everybody wants to know it's just what

1307
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,400
they do with it

1308
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,400
it's different we want to know for

1309
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,240
different reasons

1310
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,400
they want to know for not only national

1311
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,880
security but as colonel corso used to

1312
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,720
tell me he said everything we've

1313
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,720
discovered about the artifacts and

1314
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,480
everything we're using for military

1315
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,880
purposes first he said where it could

1316
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,640
benefit mankind

1317
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:40,880
so there wasn't any there wasn't any

1318
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,140
spook uh type activity

1319
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,599
[Music]

1320
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,920
that i know but it might be interesting

1321
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,240
to have paul on because paul

1322
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:53,520
is uh apollo and joel both paul and joel

1323
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,440
uh joel is his oldest uh uh you know are

1324
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,599
part of the the show and they're good

1325
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,319
friends if you wanna uh i mean paul is

1326
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:04,960
for me uh um

1327
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,079
to ask the actual source and while i was

1328
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,480
with them there was none of that right

1329
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:13,760
it was more it was more research like

1330
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,640
academic research now it's so funny you

1331
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,720
you just made comments about what you

1332
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,440
saw uh you that you were around back

1333
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:24,079
then you're my age so you must have been

1334
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,880
like

1335
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,480
three

1336
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:29,119
no i'm not your age i think i'm older i

1337
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:32,559
was born in 1945. no way

1338
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:34,240
no yes

1339
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,920
i was born in italy uh 1945 my father

1340
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,400
was a cavalry officer under mussolini

1341
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,640
and i didn't come to this country until

1342
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,440
i was five but and my dad was the

1343
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,280
italian council for the state of rhode

1344
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,720
island so i'm the daughter of a

1345
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,559
diplomatic family

1346
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:52,720
so i have that mentality the only

1347
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:55,520
difference is jimmy i'd like to be uh an

1348
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:58,720
intergalactic diplomatic person now

1349
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:01,680
i'm i'm i'm doing the math and you just

1350
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:04,799
disclosed i can't 73 but i have no

1351
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,720
problem with it you you you look amazing

1352
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,640
see i was just talking about this you

1353
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,720
know i was just talking about this uh

1354
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,319
i've got to head towards a break but uh

1355
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,119
earlier in the show i i talked about the

1356
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:18,720
oldest person in the world died last

1357
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,079
week you know he's 118. and i yeah and i

1358
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,440
thought you know i just made this

1359
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,520
comment you know would we live you know

1360
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,359
what if i lived another 50 years i'd be

1361
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:30,480
105. but would i look 105 then you know

1362
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,440
because

1363
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,480
you know 70 is the new 40 kind of thing

1364
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,200
and you're absolutely you are

1365
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,160
you are uh evidence of i would have

1366
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,760
never

1367
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:44,400
it's scary

1368
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:50,160
because in my my career is spans over 40

1369
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:51,440
years i know what i'm talking about

1370
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,160
because i've lived that long so and

1371
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,240
so i have to be honest wow that's

1372
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,839
incredible let's take a break right here

1373
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,640
paula and uh we'll pick up where we are

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leaving off right here and uh that's

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about that i want to continue with jay

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allen heineck but we've got so much to

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cover tonight and we're gonna get it all

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in everybody i promise this is fade to

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black our guest tonight paula harris i'm

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church our guest tonight

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paula harris

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we're covering it all tonight we're

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going to do

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whistleblowers

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we're going to talk about ufology around

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the world right now we're talking about

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project blue book and dr j allen

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heineken before we get back to that

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paula you're going to be speaking at the

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conscious life expo coming up next month

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and what are you going to be speaking

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about and i understand that you're going

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to be interviewing emery smith tell us

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01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,160
about that

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yeah well first my my own presentation

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is going to be about the paranormal just

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as alan heineck talked about finally i'm

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going to talk about uh my career and all

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the weirdness uh that led from one story

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to one major story to another and i'm

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going to try to connect the dots my

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first book is called connecting the dots

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making sense of the ufo phenomenon so

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i'm going to cover from uh you know 19

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when i saw close encounters when i met

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heinek uh to my work in latin america

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and all the uh the things that have

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happened in this in this journey and as

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far as interviewing emery smith he you

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know i live here in boulder he's i met

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him and he uh i have done the interviews

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with emery here

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and uh i have done two major stories in

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europe emery is so famous in rome right

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now he's just gotten an uh an invitation

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to speak there because of my interviews

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which are translated into italian and

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he's in major uh magazines so the thing

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is that that i will be doing that i

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think he's speaking two days isn't he uh

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and i'm just doing one day of interview

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with him on the stage

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and when it comes to

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uh whistleblowers certainly you know

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colonel corso is is one of them and

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and emery smith although he doesn't like

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the the moniker right he doesn't he

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doesn't like being called a

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whistleblower but a lot have come

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forward over the years what do you do

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with that you personally do you

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uh do you get a little squinty-eyed

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do you try to figure the person out

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because well let me let me tell you

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since i'm a woman

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with a colonel corso we brought him to

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europe and my mouth

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and i worked together with him when i

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did the charles hall case the tall white

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aliens and i'm the journalist that broke

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that story took me two years i asked a

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frontier airline pilot to work with me

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because i thought i was going crazy so

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uh david kudus the captain for frontier

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01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,000
worked two years on it with me uh it's

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like scully and mulder i have to have a

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mulder

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when i did the michael wolf case in in

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hartford connecticut i had my colleague

1568
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adriano for jonah fly over and work with

1569
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:58,880
me and now i'm working alone but uh you

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01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,079
know it's

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what happens is i just cover the case

1572
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word for word and it it takes a long

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01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,680
time you know i i also interviewed dan

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burrish and it's a good thing i did

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because he was a microbiologist

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and and his story

1577
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:17,599
mirrors a lot emery's story uh and i had

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to go in a kind of a secret place in

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01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,880
nevada uh and talk to him three

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01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:24,880
different times before i decided to do

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01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,520
that case uh because the first time uh

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this whole thing about time travel this

1583
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,680
whole thing about uh you know uh

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tissues from beings and all this

1585
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,720
it was shocking and i didn't know if i

1586
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:40,079
was gonna do it i didn't know if i

1587
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:41,839
wanted to put my name on anything like

1588
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,039
that so it took three times of my going

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01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:48,240
there before i actually covered the dan

1590
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:50,400
burge case and i've covered other cases

1591
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:53,680
michael wolff i worked at f4 uh in area

1592
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,960
51 kirkland uh that's where charles hall

1593
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:58,720
is working currently

1594
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:02,240
so i was able because i've done so many

1595
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,359
of these pilots these insiders i was

1596
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,640
very close to dr edgar mitchell uh i've

1597
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:10,960
interviewed so many of them that

1598
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:14,079
when emory says certain things it sets

1599
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,440
off a light bulb and i can connect it

1600
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:19,920
and i can tell by not only his posture

1601
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:22,240
but his intention if he's telling the

1602
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,359
truth or not and just like burst who

1603
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,200
couldn't wait to get back to regular

1604
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:29,920
science he couldn't wait to go back to

1605
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,160
microbiology work and what he what he

1606
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,480
loves emory wants to do the same thing

1607
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:37,200
he wants to help people in a medical way

1608
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:39,680
i mean emery i don't think is going to

1609
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:42,480
spend all his life uh being uh an

1610
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:45,440
insider and and talking he he wants to

1611
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,799
actually do something and uh you know

1612
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,200
make a difference and i can tell

1613
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,599
when i'm speaking to these people uh

1614
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,000
what their what their intention is and

1615
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,160
uh how true they are what happened to

1616
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,319
dan burrish

1617
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,960
he he was allowed to speak for a certain

1618
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:04,319
amount of time

1619
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,680
uh and he told me he said this is it and

1620
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,599
he would come with his handler as you

1621
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:11,200
know that ended up

1622
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,319
being marcia and um

1623
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,080
you know in and

1624
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:18,080
they would come together and she'd watch

1625
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,319
everything he said just like other

1626
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,920
people

1627
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,759
and to make sure he didn't go off the

1628
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:26,080
reservation as dr stephen greer would

1629
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,920
say uh and emery and um and dan told me

1630
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,359
he said when i'm finished with this

1631
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,679
revelation uh i want to go back to

1632
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:36,319
working regularly and i have tried in

1633
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:38,560
these years to meet up with him in las

1634
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,359
vegas because he's in that area

1635
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,600
and they have broken the appointment

1636
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,920
twice so i understand he wants to go

1637
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,480
back into the woodwork and do the work

1638
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,120
he came out for a short period of time

1639
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,679
uh it was very controversial there's a

1640
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,440
lot of people that took advantage of him

1641
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:56,960
and then he went back to doing his

1642
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,400
scientist work uh and that's what from

1643
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:02,880
what i understand emory wants to do

1644
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,480
too and and uh and and also other people

1645
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,040
i've interviewed that were in these in

1646
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:11,679
these uh you know black projects they're

1647
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:14,239
either scientists doctors or

1648
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,040
um

1649
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,199
people that got caught up in this

1650
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:19,759
so you know i can tell i can feel it i

1651
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,480
can tell i know especially the locations

1652
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:23,679
and the dates

1653
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,199
um that there what this is is disclosure

1654
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:28,799
in drips

1655
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:32,319
full disclosure you're going to get a

1656
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,199
drip here and if you study and you read

1657
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,279
uh the interviews if you read the

1658
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:38,640
people's books

1659
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,440
uh from the source not internet but from

1660
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,679
the sources you're gonna get the answers

1661
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,759
and what do you do

1662
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:47,600
you know well i kind of want to go back

1663
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:49,199
to burst for a second because he's a

1664
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:52,640
good example of of this and and you were

1665
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:55,120
right there at the beginning do you

1666
01:10:03,110 --> 01:09:56,320
uh

1667
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,120
diligence there

1668
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,440
uh with burr she had already been out so

1669
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,760
his background was all over and we saw

1670
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,920
documents and so forth linda had covered

1671
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:12,560
that story before me and um

1672
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:15,760
and there's an another researcher who

1673
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,560
passed on i think is ron garner who did

1674
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,239
that story before me so they did all

1675
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:23,040
that and but a good case would be the

1676
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:24,800
charles hall case you do you know that

1677
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,199
case of course charles holland the tall

1678
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,040
uh the taller whites in the indian

1679
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,360
springs facility yep

1680
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:33,360
okay well when i had when i was working

1681
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,719
with uh with the pilot um we got the

1682
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,880
names of the people i i wouldn't

1683
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,760
continue unless i got some other um

1684
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,760
corroboration on that story and we got

1685
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,040
four names

1686
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:47,199
of of guys that had worked in indian

1687
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,040
springs with him but i couldn't call

1688
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,440
this is after 40 years can you imagine

1689
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:54,159
if a woman called and the wife answered

1690
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:55,920
uh so i had

1691
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,640
the pilot call and he called and he

1692
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:00,719
taped the conversations where they

1693
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:04,159
verified things that charles was saying

1694
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:07,280
and uh and then we had another weird

1695
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,640
thing and i'm going to talk about this

1696
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:10,239
in my presentation

1697
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,000
i uh was in uh teaching in rome and one

1698
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,159
of the teachers in the first grade her

1699
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:18,719
father was visiting and he was an lapd

1700
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,360
policeman and he had heard me on coast

1701
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,440
to coast and he he said oh paula harris

1702
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,360
is in this you know private school i was

1703
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:27,440
at the american overseas school and he

1704
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,600
he walks into my classroom and he said

1705
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:32,400
i'm lapd what can i do for you

1706
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:35,199
and i said you can actually

1707
01:11:40,470 --> 01:11:37,840
look up these guys because we can't find

1708
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,480
them and they've changed addresses

1709
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:43,120
and i need to to talk to them before i

1710
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,520
do the story and he's the one he went

1711
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:47,440
back to los angeles found where they

1712
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,400
lived

1713
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:50,320
in two minutes and not only that this

1714
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,000
was the first case where he had a

1715
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,360
forensic artist actually draw a picture

1716
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:57,679
of the teacher from charles's

1717
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:00,400
description so i had a legitimate

1718
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:02,960
policeman a legitimate forensic artist i

1719
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,600
had up to somebody helping me beside

1720
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,280
behind the scenes and it was all an

1721
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:09,520
accident i mean how could he end up in

1722
01:12:15,510 --> 01:12:13,679
rome uh anyway and uh and so it was

1723
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:15,520
fascinating i'm going to talk about some

1724
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,600
of these cases and when people verify

1725
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,000
you know charles was only there one year

1726
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,719
when this happened 1965

1727
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:26,800
then he was transferred to vietnam i

1728
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:30,000
think this is wonderful story because

1729
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:33,520
um my stories then went from i i stay

1730
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:34,320
away

1731
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:37,520
people will tell you from just abduction

1732
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,120
cases to contact cases with people with

1733
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:43,360
uh space people or space

1734
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,920
uh visitors and then i had to go all the

1735
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,920
way back to the giant rock days and i

1736
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,320
dug up all those people to find out what

1737
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:52,159
happened in landers california in the

1738
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:55,920
1950s which has been hidden right so i

1739
01:13:00,950 --> 01:12:58,640
you know i i had to go and look i looked

1740
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:00,960
them up see where they live talk to them

1741
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:03,440
i ended up in cornville um

1742
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,400
to talk to robert short get details

1743
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:08,320
what the involvement was back then in

1744
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:10,640
the movie the day the earth stood still

1745
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,040
i mean do you know how real that movie

1746
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:15,440
is it's one of my favorites

1747
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,920
i still well that was commissioned by

1748
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:19,679
the intelligence community but that

1749
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:21,760
stuff really happened no i think it's a

1750
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,320
documentary myself that's my perspective

1751
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,400
yeah it is jimmy same thing same thing

1752
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,880
with uh close encounters which i

1753
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:31,360
actually i want to swing back around now

1754
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,199
uh back to jay allen heineck because

1755
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:36,960
the uh

1756
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,080
the time that you uh found him which was

1757
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:41,520
or you guys found each other i should

1758
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,960
say in 1980 what attracted you what what

1759
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,960
took you in that direction did you have

1760
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,880
a personal experience

1761
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:51,120
yeah no no uh

1762
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:52,719
no it was

1763
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:55,679
an awakening situation in 1980 i began

1764
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:56,719
teaching

1765
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,640
high school i mean my kids were grown

1766
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:00,560
enough where i could get start teaching

1767
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,080
i was in my 30s by the way and uh and i

1768
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:06,239
got this class and i started

1769
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,600
reading up uh giving the kids

1770
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:12,159
in my book getting the kids doomed to

1771
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,760
read and h.g wells and all these science

1772
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,120
fiction tales

1773
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:19,440
and uh and i got in trouble i mean this

1774
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:21,760
is in my book because the minister came

1775
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,120
to the school

1776
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:26,080
and said uh how come this teacher

1777
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,320
uh is teaching this course and it

1778
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:30,800
started with 18 students and by the time

1779
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,840
i finished teaching with my 186 students

1780
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,239
that wanted to take the course but then

1781
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:39,440
i started looking at uh the veracity of

1782
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,280
it and i said um you know the movie came

1783
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:45,760
out and and i thought to myself oh

1784
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,760
i wonder if this is real and there was a

1785
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:49,440
wedding in evanston

1786
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:54,800
and and i pulled away one day and i said

1787
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,120
i'm going over to see if this is real

1788
01:15:02,390 --> 01:14:59,360
and i walked into the center for ufo

1789
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:02,400
studies and i i told them i was italian

1790
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,320
i wanted to see the file just so i could

1791
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,159
show me open up all the drawers i want

1792
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:08,320
to see if this is real and alan heineck

1793
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,760
comes from behind the wall with his pipe

1794
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,679
i'll never forget it because i never

1795
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,360
thought he'd be there

1796
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,520
and he comes and he says hello he said

1797
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,159
my secretary told me that you speak

1798
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,120
italian would you like to work with me

1799
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:25,360
and i thought oh my god how did this

1800
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,480
happen

1801
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:28,719
and then from that point on it was one

1802
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:31,280
thing after another a close encounters

1803
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,159
for me i had an emotional reaction at

1804
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,080
the very end of the film

1805
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,400
when francois truffaut

1806
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,719
had that meeting with the beings and i

1807
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,480
was sitting there in the audience and

1808
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,360
started to cry for no reason at all i

1809
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:47,760
did not have any experience

1810
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,870
yeah and and and something happened to

1811
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:56,480
me after that i ended up going to

1812
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,040
devil's tower two years ago

1813
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,120
walking in the forest and i hear these

1814
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,679
these tones

1815
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,679
yeah i mean uh the the presentation i'll

1816
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,080
talk about the weirdness i'm i'm walking

1817
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:10,320
by it my myself in the forest and i hear

1818
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,080
da da da and i don't know where the heck

1819
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:13,920
it's coming from there's no

1820
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,960
sighting or anything but um anyway that

1821
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:18,080
movie

1822
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,360
star triggered something in my dna

1823
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,000
that and then the going to evanston

1824
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:26,239
meeting heinek the knowing it was real

1825
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:27,679
going from one

1826
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,120
uh uh insider to another the the five

1827
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,120
books with all the interviews all over

1828
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:36,159
the world i began to try to figure this

1829
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,520
out

1830
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,600
the i still cry at the end of that movie

1831
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,760
by the way oh you do because there's

1832
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,000
something there there i watch it i watch

1833
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:46,880
it all the time i watch the close

1834
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,600
encounters all the time i watch it once

1835
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,640
a month

1836
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,360
i do i i i i talk there's something

1837
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:55,840
there then there's something

1838
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,560
uh that triggers in us

1839
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:00,480
a reaction

1840
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,520
now but we've all speculated and let's

1841
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:05,360
kind of put this to bed at least from

1842
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:07,600
your perspective and your contact with

1843
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:10,400
heinek because he appears in the film

1844
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:12,080
you know he's got that famous scene he

1845
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,520
steps up and he's looking at the craft

1846
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,159
at the end of the film uh where i'm you

1847
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,480
know uh doughy eyed and crying at that

1848
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,920
moment but so

1849
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,560
so he steps up and and he's got that

1850
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,960
moment which suggested a couple of

1851
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:26,640
things to all of us

1852
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:27,600
one

1853
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:29,120
that heinek

1854
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:30,640
was in the know

1855
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:34,000
heinek knew things real things factual

1856
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,880
things and and you're saying

1857
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:38,719
if i'm understanding you correctly that

1858
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:40,560
it was actually the opposite he was

1859
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:44,239
frustrated because he didn't know things

1860
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:45,440
so

1861
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,440
let's let's let's put this to bed well

1862
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:49,840
it's not just heineken if you read those

1863
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:52,960
three books if people still read uh to

1864
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,520
read uh jacques valles of forbidden

1865
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,080
science because it's a diary and jack

1866
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,080
valley knew more about the inside

1867
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:02,560
operation than heinek did because he met

1868
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:05,360
with people right uh and and and jack

1869
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:07,760
vallee's character was the one that i

1870
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:10,080
bonded with in the movie francois

1871
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,199
truffaut

1872
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:13,760
uh who was really a director not an

1873
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,480
actor but when truffaut said to

1874
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,800
everybody they've been invited they've

1875
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:20,320
been invited

1876
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,000
you know let them through they've been

1877
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:24,159
invited right right and then i talked to

1878
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:25,760
jacques valley

1879
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:28,320
this year and and i asked him i said you

1880
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:30,239
know what was your part in the film and

1881
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:31,360
he said

1882
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:37,760
uh find a way of getting those guys you

1883
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:40,960
know the contactees to devil's tower and

1884
01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:42,960
and that and jacques is into the

1885
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,000
paranormal as you know he's into the

1886
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:47,600
dimensionality of it he doesn't think

1887
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,640
it's just et's he thinks it's a whole

1888
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:52,320
series of things

1889
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,199
that

1890
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,440
contact us and and he's really into the

1891
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:57,679
consciousness part of it he and he gave

1892
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,800
the suggestion to spielberg to have the

1893
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,480
esp thing where you know where they're

1894
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,239
making the mashed potatoes they're

1895
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,560
drawing it in the in the shape of

1896
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:09,280
devil's tower it's messages that we

1897
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:12,159
learn later on are given to people or

1898
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,560
what you want to call downloads are

1899
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,719
given to people to do certain things and

1900
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,640
that was jack's idea

1901
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:20,640
and then alan told me

1902
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uh that was like blue book stuff you

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01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:25,520
know the landing for me is like the

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holloman landing uh and

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01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,400
he knew that the government wanted to

1906
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:33,040
have these kinds of encounters

1907
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:36,880
but uh the the real you know background

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01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:40,000
of that is it that is a series of things

1909
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,159
the finding of the ship in the desert

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01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,719
the taking away of the military men and

1911
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:47,440
bringing them back all the foo fighters

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01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,159
it's it's it's like a

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01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,760
hodgepodge of things from blue book

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01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,400
i think valet is an alien

1915
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:58,800
i think he's he is one of the most

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01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:00,800
fascinating people

1917
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:04,159
i have ever met and one of the kindest

1918
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:07,440
most he reminds me a lot of john mack

1919
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,159
whom i love to my love i loved john mack

1920
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:12,719
he's got some pretty insane eyes uh

1921
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:18,390
but the thing is that he

1922
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:21,360
he like john mack is very open-minded

1923
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:23,120
he's very kind

1924
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:26,000
he's very open-minded he's not judge he

1925
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:28,000
has his own opinions there's no doubt

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01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:29,440
about that

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01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,640
but he's

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01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,360
not cruel about it he's not

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01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:35,520
dogmatic about it he's

1930
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,320
very open-minded man and and uh i'm

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01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,320
interested now in the consciousness

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01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:42,239
component i'm going to tell you that i

1933
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,080
went from nuts and bolts putting pins

1934
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,040
and maps to the to the graduate school

1935
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,440
of all this which is the evolution of

1936
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:52,239
human consciousness yeah and and let's

1937
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:53,520
let's talk about that for a minute

1938
01:20:58,550 --> 01:20:57,280
because i'm i'm i'm getting there too

1939
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,560
myself

1940
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:01,199
from my own personal experiences

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01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:02,080
and

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01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,040
i i'm still

1943
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:08,960
that happens and it occurs and i've seen

1944
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,440
some things but there's something else

1945
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:13,440
that is going on

1946
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,320
with the interdimensionality of of what

1947
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:18,480
we're seeing these days and also the

1948
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,679
direct connection to ourselves

1949
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,520
um where i think there is some

1950
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,600
communication and i think that there's a

1951
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:27,040
consciousness

1952
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,920
component to this what has led you in

1953
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,080
that direction

1954
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,719
well um because i did all the nuts and

1955
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:36,159
bolts part i mean in the beginning you

1956
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,520
couldn't even talk to me about what was

1957
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:39,840
inside the craft i didn't care i was

1958
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,320
just doing the you know the work i was

1959
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,800
doing the nuts and bolts work it wasn't

1960
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:46,800
until um

1961
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,000
it wasn't until i was ready uh that i in

1962
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:52,719
europe that i met contactees in europe

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01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:53,679
uh

1964
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,960
dealing with some italian cases that i

1965
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:58,639
people don't know about

1966
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:59,520
and

1967
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:00,960
it wasn't

1968
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,560
until i realized that the parent what we

1969
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:06,560
call a paranormal

1970
01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,400
what we call the agenda of the

1971
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,800
visitations i always say look

1972
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,639
i've interviewed so many people and this

1973
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,960
has to do has has a nuclear component

1974
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:16,960
too that most of the sightings

1975
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:20,639
and most of the pilots uh i interviewed

1976
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,800
john charles duback of air france i've

1977
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,639
interviewed so even the stephenville

1978
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:26,800
case had had a nuclear code there was a

1979
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:29,679
nuclear power plant there uh there you

1980
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:32,480
know i noticed that there's an agenda

1981
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:35,360
and the agenda has to do with

1982
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:37,120
wake up people

1983
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,520
you have exploded the atomic bomb in

1984
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,360
1945

1985
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,840
it has caused you guys to play a game of

1986
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,880
chess

1987
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:47,040
we are all all the nations are in

1988
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:49,600
checkmate because if somebody you know

1989
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,480
moves a piece we have to retaliate and

1990
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,719
game over it's game over

1991
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:55,920
and so

1992
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:58,960
we are at a point in in history and this

1993
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,679
is what was told to adamski which really

1994
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:04,560
really though studying adamski menger

1995
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:05,600
um

1996
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:08,480
george van tassel or feo angelucci

1997
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,440
studying the 50s gave me the clue that

1998
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,320
er in the circle of history there are

1999
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:16,960
certain times we can change things and

2000
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:19,679
in the 1950s we could have gone

2001
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:22,880
from a war economy as adamski was told

2002
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:26,719
to a space economy made a lot of money

2003
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,679
gone to meet our cosmic neighbors but we

2004
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,320
had already started the war economy with

2005
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:35,120
the industrial complex and that would

2006
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:36,960
mean that you'd have to create the wars

2007
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,440
to keep the economy going now that's

2008
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:41,040
darn serious

2009
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,239
so the beings are going okay well

2010
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:46,239
how are these people gonna make it you

2011
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:47,920
know are they gonna survive if they're

2012
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:50,000
playing a chess game

2013
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,120
and so that brings up consciousness

2014
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:55,679
that brings up responsibility

2015
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,159
that brings up what do we get why why

2016
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,480
are they here what what is our role and

2017
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,880
i remember the great robert dean whom i

2018
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,320
loved dearly

2019
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:07,280
used to say it's not about them it's

2020
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,800
about us

2021
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:10,320
and we have to look at it that way

2022
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:12,000
because

2023
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:12,880
uh

2024
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:15,840
the other civilizations that are out

2025
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,719
there in our milky way we can talk about

2026
01:24:21,750 --> 01:24:20,239
the universe but let's just talk about

2027
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,760
our milky way

2028
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:24,239
that the only way

2029
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:26,800
that they can evolve

2030
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:30,719
is to get out of a war mentality they

2031
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,440
they raise themselves uh to another

2032
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:35,360
consciousness and they understand things

2033
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,320
or

2034
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:38,239
what's the alternative they're not going

2035
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:39,679
to survive

2036
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,480
and

2037
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:42,960
so they have gone through they have to

2038
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:45,679
have gone through the exact same things

2039
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:48,080
and experiences that we are dealing with

2040
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:50,320
right now on this planet and they would

2041
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,400
have to be concerned for the very

2042
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:54,960
survival of the milky way or are we just

2043
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,840
going to disappear or are we going to

2044
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,840
evolve and that's the way that i look at

2045
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,360
it paula

2046
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:03,120
well you know i'm so glad to have this

2047
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,639
conversation with you because this

2048
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:06,239
conversation is a grad school

2049
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,320
conversation uh

2050
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,560
i look at it this way too because of the

2051
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,800
lot of the contact that people have had

2052
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,639
especially in south america there are a

2053
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:16,239
lot of them are time travelers and what

2054
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:17,440
they're saying

2055
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:20,239
is this we come from a place where we

2056
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:22,239
have a collective consciousness in other

2057
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:24,560
words we do what's good for everybody

2058
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,199
you guys have a singular consciousness

2059
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,440
you do what's good for number one

2060
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:32,080
and there was a famous teacher that came

2061
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,760
to this earth

2062
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,520
that tried to get us on a collective

2063
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,600
consciousness and he said don't do to

2064
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:39,360
others what you don't want them to do to

2065
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:42,880
you very simple message from christ who

2066
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:45,120
came to this earth saying you know

2067
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:46,560
uh

2068
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:48,159
you know love your neighbor as yourself

2069
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:49,199
i mean if you're gonna love your

2070
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,719
neighbor you're not gonna rape him kill

2071
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:53,199
him murder him you know and try to take

2072
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:56,480
advantage of him that is a collective

2073
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,679
consciousness

2074
01:26:02,390 --> 01:25:59,920
uh and if we get out of the religious

2075
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,400
angle of it just the philosophy of it

2076
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:04,800
it's a collective consciousness sure

2077
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:07,120
it's been it's been given to us we were

2078
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:08,719
given that gift

2079
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:13,040
anything with it is another story

2080
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:15,040
they're watching because

2081
01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,960
you know and uh in the messages from

2082
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:18,960
latin america is that we're we're all

2083
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,679
related that somehow this planet was

2084
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:24,239
seated with all kinds of different kinds

2085
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,360
of people

2086
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:28,320
from different places from so forth in

2087
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,120
that

2088
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:32,239
whatever happens to us it affects them

2089
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:35,199
especially when we deal with with you

2090
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,560
know exploding an atomic bomb um and all

2091
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,520
the other tests that we've done so the

2092
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:43,840
the thing is that it's very interesting

2093
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:46,239
on a sociological level

2094
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:49,760
on a scientific level on a philosophical

2095
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,639
level

2096
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,560
and this subject instead of being great

2097
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:54,800
entertainment on internet should be in a

2098
01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:57,120
university i like the entertainment

2099
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,390
of course you

2100
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,239
let's take a break right here our guest

2101
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,560
tonight paula harris and when we come

2102
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,159
back fascinating conversation when we

2103
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,000
come back we are going to talk about

2104
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,400
ufology uh around the world and we're

2105
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,920
going to talk about latin america it's

2106
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,360
fascinating

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i'm yours jimmy church this is fade to

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black more of paula after this short

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hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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hey

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welcome back faded black i'm yours jimmy

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church our guest tonight paula harris

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tomorrow night open lines all night long

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friday i will be at the namm show in

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anaheim saturday i'll be over hosting

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coast to coast am that is my week sunday

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i'll be sleeping monday i'm back here

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on fade to black to kick off another

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week no rest here uh paul in the

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entertainment side of things but

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i hope you're taking vitamins i i am a

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vitamin addict i'm a vitamin oh you have

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to

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you know what i do every day i don't

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want to get off on some crazy tangent

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but i do i do moringa i do pine bark i

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do uh olive leaf extract i do uh vitamin

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c i do cbd

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um all

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every single day it's changed my life

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and compared to what i was like

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a few years ago it's supplements and and

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taking them correctly uh will change you

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i i drink a lot of uh cleansing teas

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life change tea i drink that and it's

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it's it's a necessity as you get up

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there in age i'm 55 you know and yeah

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well i think it's important because i

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mean we need these things and we're like

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you know cars that need gasoline we got

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to keep going

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you know you have to and we

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just like yourself

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we work uh 24 hours a day seven days a

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week we don't take days off we we can't

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um and when you uh i've been doing this

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now for so many years i'm five years on

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coast right that's a crazy concept

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uh to bring into play plus all the

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television and all of the radio

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that there is no rest and

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the only way that you can take care of

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yourself is supplements that's the

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that's that's it you your body will

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revolt it will go that's it supplements

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then take a walk once in a while i think

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you have to move your body at a certain

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age i think it's very important uh to do

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that and you know people say to me or

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01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:04,000
the question everybody in the world asks

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01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:05,840
is oh do you think there's disclosure i

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01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:07,920
feel like saying well you listen to

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01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:09,440
shows like this

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and you listen to people that are

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credible

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01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,320
and especially if they've written a book

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and you're a studious person this is

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disclosure i don't know what else you

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want that's right no you're 100 correct

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and

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there's another aspect to this that i've

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been very troubled with over the years

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uh and this goes back a long ways uh

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when we start to look at the way that uh

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chile or argentina or brazil

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01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:39,600
and and even mexico was looking at the

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ufo subject as a government and taking

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it very very serious and i would look at

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the united states and go

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why do we have this difference

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in attitude

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and

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when you go south why is that

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well because they're not looking for the

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propulsion system i mean

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you know to be clear about this i had to

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do a lot of research of the 1950s the

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1950s and 60s i had to go back there to

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see what was going on

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because if you look at this in a

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sociological way the 60s and 70s was the

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jump start of the new age movement

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and somebody jump started that uh

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the fact that scientology l ron hubbard

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asked all that stuff came out um and if

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you start looking at uri geller the

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council of nine phyllis schlemmer uh

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andrea paul harrich the fact that i mean

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i started studying it like a teacher

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like a master's degree in this thing i

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started looking at the background of

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rottenberry who was involved with uh

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fellow schlemmer and andrea pojarich who

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worked for the cia at that time with the

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psychic stuff at sri um

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somewhere in there in in phyllis

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flamer's book here is gene rottenberry

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channeling asking questions of et's and

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getting downloads and then we have star

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trek

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and then we have yogananda at this time

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and then we have uh the change in our

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01:36:19,189 --> 01:36:15,920
attitudes of society in the start

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looking at the whole new age situation

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01:36:23,830 --> 01:36:21,679
which i think was a jump start to try to

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get to consciousness of course it went

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commercial like everything else on this

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planet but um and and i had to go back

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to the 50s and 60s to the contactees

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back there to see what they were saying

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01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,320
what the messages were what what the

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01:36:41,189 --> 01:36:38,719
downloads were uh do you realize that

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there was like 15 000 people a giant

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rock i do i mean they came from all over

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out there and they had sightings and

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something was going on and then we have

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1960 with the betty and barney hill case

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and the abduction scenario which is to

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this day the only image of our ufology

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the only image why do they go to south

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america because they don't talk about

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01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,880
little grey aliens there are actual

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01:37:08,550 --> 01:37:07,040
people coming off ships

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01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:08,560
those people who are coming off the

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01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:12,080
ships in 1950s and 60s realized it was a

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lost cause here because the interest was

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in the in the craft the propulsion

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system like it is today with the to the

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stars academy stuff you know the back

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01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:23,119
engineer stuff

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uh and they're going well these people

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01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:26,960
you know we can't get very far for doing

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01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:29,520
consciousness studies so we better go to

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to a place where you can go up to people

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there you know it's a heart-to-heart

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connection the heart chakra i don't

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think you have anything in common with

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an alien

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uh or a being from another place or

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another dimension except

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01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:46,080
consciousness they're they're alive and

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01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,400
you're alive and you have a heart and

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01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:50,880
hopefully they have some kind of uh you

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know connection to you i don't think you

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could intellectually

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exchange anything with these beings uh

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01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,480
so the south americans and especially

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peru and i'm going to peru in may with

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01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:06,719
ricardo gonzalez um two

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things happened in latin america in peru

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where these beings uh that said they

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01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,719
came from uh the constellation of alpha

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01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,800
centauri were interacting with the

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peasants

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01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:20,080
and they would they they were ten foot

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01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:22,960
tall people there's a documentation all

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01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,040
over the place they were interacting

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with the peasants near a mountain called

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the waskaran

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and i want to talk to the peasants i

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01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,960
want to talk to the people i want to

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01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:34,960
know what these beings were saying

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01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:37,040
they're people there they come from

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01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:38,960
they said they were time travelers with

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01:38:44,149 --> 01:38:42,239
a message and i want to know and uh yeah

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01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:44,159
but i have to go to the place where

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01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:46,320
they're talking to the people they say

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01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:49,440
they have a base in that mountain um as

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01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:51,920
there is a base in shasta i you know all

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01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,840
the stuff that happens at chest is not

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an accident

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01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:57,679
so in order for me to do that i can't

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01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:00,080
sit in my living room i can't look on

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01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:02,960
internet i gotta travel and and travel

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01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:06,080
is part of my my um

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01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:07,840
and it's all on my own dime that's the

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01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:10,080
other thing that's really

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01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,520
that's i think that's why i don't have a

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01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,600
significant other and never approve of

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01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,040
all the money that goes out on this

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01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:16,800
research uh

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01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,320
never

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01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:20,880
but um i want to know and and latin

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01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,320
america has contact um i interviewed

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01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,280
sister paws wells his brother charlie

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01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:29,840
who has transgendered into veronica paul

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01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:32,320
poswell's i drove three thousand miles

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to toronto to talk to her

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01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:38,239
and she told me that six sopas and and

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01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:41,280
and her brother sister and six or seven

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01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:43,119
young people went to the chilka desert

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01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:46,239
in 1970 the craft lands and asked them

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01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:48,159
to come inside

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01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:49,040
the people

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01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,280
and and she's

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01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:55,679
verifying her brother's story and then

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01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,040
she tells me that she has contact in the

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01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,199
forest in canada with these beings and

2391
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,440
she brings witnesses

2392
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:05,440
and and she brought the witnesses of the

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01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:08,000
of the beings coming down off the hill

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01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,400
to talk to her and i'm going people

2395
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,840
should know about this

2396
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:14,159
wait wait wait wait wait let's let's

2397
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,080
let's hold on here for a second i have

2398
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:19,199
not heard about this this case

2399
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,440
so you can go on my youtube because the

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01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:23,920
interviews are on my youtube well

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01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:26,639
i'm not going to do that live on the air

2402
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:29,119
tell me what okay so

2403
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:32,320
you drove to toronto okay where where

2404
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:35,119
was their original contact in

2405
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,480
and 1917 in peru all this stuff is out

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01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:40,080
of peru

2407
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:41,199
and

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01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:42,239
so

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01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,080
she 1970s now we're in 1970s with these

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01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,480
cup mass contacts in peru

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01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,400
and she is saying that

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01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:53,360
a craft landed and and beings came out

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01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,159
invited them on to the craft yeah and

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01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,239
then they were young boys

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01:41:02,709 --> 01:40:59,920
but you know how they did it i mean you

2416
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:02,719
have to look at the mentality there they

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01:41:07,830 --> 01:41:05,520
they it was automatic writing c still

2418
01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:07,840
started to automatic right right they

2419
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,159
gave them the coordinates so where to go

2420
01:41:15,430 --> 01:41:12,719
they camped for three days they fasted

2421
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:15,440
they just juiced they didn't eat this is

2422
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:16,880
one thing because i've done some of

2423
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,280
these meditations within in argentina

2424
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:22,239
with these people and uh fasting is part

2425
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,960
of it or just eating fruit and fasting

2426
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:26,320
and then they get

2427
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:29,119
the the messages of where to be

2428
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,040
the craft lands

2429
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,679
and in the 1970s these and i think there

2430
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:35,679
were eight boys uh

2431
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,760
you know were invited aboard and they

2432
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:39,840
consequently became contactees in latin

2433
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:41,760
america and the latin america knows

2434
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:45,440
cesto poswells louis mustachio ricardo

2435
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:46,400
gonzalez

2436
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,520
and uh and veronica poswells these are

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01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:51,840
people that have had face-to-face

2438
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:53,760
contact with beings

2439
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:59,040
all in the peru area and so um you know

2440
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:01,119
you have to study this but i've spoken

2441
01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,040
to all of them with an interpreter

2442
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:05,679
because they don't speak spanish uh and

2443
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:08,320
have done all the work in the in the

2444
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:10,719
word for word interviews for people that

2445
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,080
do read

2446
01:42:17,910 --> 01:42:14,480
is in all the above and beyond in the

2447
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:17,920
last 150 pages of the book there and go

2448
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,000
to my youtube channel and listen to

2449
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:22,400
sisto ricardo

2450
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:25,520
uh and veronica poswells tell the story

2451
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,400
of of what happened in the 70s

2452
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:30,639
so because i'm a historian i'm looking

2453
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:34,080
at the timeline the 50s and 60s southern

2454
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:36,960
california the new age movement all of

2455
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:39,040
that stuff at sri

2456
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:40,880
that didn't work out very well they went

2457
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:43,119
to latin america

2458
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:46,159
and the contacts are happening there we

2459
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,480
are stuck in the alien abduction

2460
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,840
scenario

2461
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:51,600
from the betty and barney hill case and

2462
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:53,360
haven't moved off that because nobody

2463
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:55,600
talks about human type aliens

2464
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,080
the base that is in the mountains is

2465
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,480
this still active

2466
01:43:04,790 --> 01:43:02,880
i we don't know i just want to go where

2467
01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:04,800
it happened i know the stories and then

2468
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,639
the peasants there i have to listen to

2469
01:43:10,709 --> 01:43:08,800
what they have to say

2470
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:10,719
that peasants but they're the farmers

2471
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:12,719
the the common people in the little

2472
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,159
villages so i'm i'm going in may with a

2473
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:18,800
film crew from canada and with ricardo

2474
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:21,679
and some other people and and just i

2475
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:23,440
want to know i want that i want to get

2476
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:24,960
it from the source

2477
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,760
uh what they have to say about about the

2478
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:30,000
opunians the book if people are

2479
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,159
interested in these contacts are called

2480
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,360
contact from opu by ricardo gonzalez

2481
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,920
i've had the book translated into

2482
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:39,040
english

2483
01:43:44,189 --> 01:43:41,199
so they can get it on amazon

2484
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:44,199
consequently in italy in

2485
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,760
1953

2486
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:48,320
we had a situation in pescata

2487
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,119
where we had some human type beings

2488
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:53,520
interact with the ten italians and

2489
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:55,920
that's the famous friendship or amicitsa

2490
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:58,800
case and i've interviewed those people

2491
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:00,960
also this happened

2492
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:03,600
on the coast of the adriatic coast so

2493
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:06,560
these are foreign stories that you can

2494
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:09,360
read if you read the books if you follow

2495
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:12,080
my work otherwise you're stuck with what

2496
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:13,840
you get on internet

2497
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:16,480
and uh somebody uh brought up the

2498
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,440
friendship case earlier i watched uh

2499
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:21,040
you know the documentaries that have

2500
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:24,000
been out on the friendship case but it's

2501
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:26,000
a pretty extraordinary case and one that

2502
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:28,560
doesn't get the recognition and ufology

2503
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:30,000
that it should

2504
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:32,239
because it does not reductions i mean

2505
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:32,960
it's

2506
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:35,360
this is a group of et's that they call

2507
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:38,239
the w56s that wanted to try to live with

2508
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:39,280
humans

2509
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:42,159
and they had a uh technology called

2510
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,600
ureda and they said to the the 10

2511
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:47,040
italians

2512
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:49,119
of men and women they said we're don't

2513
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:50,880
tell anybody where we are they were in

2514
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,719
roca pia in a castle uh near pescada but

2515
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,400
we will stay with you as long as you

2516
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:58,320
guys don't fight

2517
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,800
if you maintain what's called harmony

2518
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,960
and they lasted 10 years and then the

2519
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,280
the the the humans started fighting

2520
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:08,000
among each other i went last year to

2521
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:09,840
lake como you know that's where george

2522
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,040
clooney lives right and talked to the 95

2523
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:15,360
year old man who and his wife who

2524
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,840
participated in this and as i was

2525
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,600
sitting there and i'm taught they're

2526
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:21,440
talking to me about what they lived

2527
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,760
through and and how and seeing these

2528
01:45:28,550 --> 01:45:25,760
people by the way these people were

2529
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,560
vegetarian so what had happened is even

2530
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:31,040
though they lived on the earth

2531
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,119
the man that was involved with them had

2532
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,000
to leave huge trucks loads of vegetables

2533
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:38,400
and fruits to feed them because they

2534
01:45:42,390 --> 01:45:40,800
lived among us it's called a friendship

2535
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,400
case it's very

2536
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:44,400
and the man that wrote the book

2537
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:46,800
um stefano brescia left me all the

2538
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:49,840
materials including the voices

2539
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:52,800
the voices of these et's talking to the

2540
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,080
italians in italian so i have the the

2541
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,800
voices i have it all on dvd

2542
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:01,119
i i studied it i talked to the the

2543
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:02,719
survivor you know the people that are

2544
01:46:07,030 --> 01:46:06,239
still around and he's 92 uh

2545
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:07,040
um

2546
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,560
gossip dilemma is 92 and his wife is up

2547
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:13,440
there and and after all these years now

2548
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:16,320
remember this is the 1950s right

2549
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:19,920
in 1956 they call them w56s

2550
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,560
the only person to cover this who's a

2551
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:24,480
ufologist one of the best in the world

2552
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:26,400
is timothy good

2553
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:28,800
and timothy good is the only one that

2554
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,360
travels around and talks to these people

2555
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,360
he's talked to the south americans he

2556
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,520
talked to the italians he's talked to

2557
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:38,159
the french he talked to uh

2558
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,480
he's done he's done his homework timothy

2559
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:43,119
good is amazing uh and

2560
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:46,800
so i can't name any other people because

2561
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,560
maybe because the language barrier or

2562
01:46:52,149 --> 01:46:50,800
whatever nobody bothers to look into

2563
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:52,159
these cases

2564
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:53,280
now

2565
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,800
from what i remember about the

2566
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:00,320
friendship case

2567
01:47:05,750 --> 01:47:04,000
was the contact lasted for 30 years

2568
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:05,760
something like that you know what was

2569
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:08,320
more like 10 or 15 they left they

2570
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:10,159
actually they had a base

2571
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:12,880
uh they had an underwater base you know

2572
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:15,600
it was hard for me to to even fathom on

2573
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:17,840
the coast of pescata and i talked to the

2574
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:20,080
people there where the fishermen refused

2575
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:21,840
to go out because there was funnels of

2576
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:24,320
water coming up and they were fishermen

2577
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:26,960
refused to to go out there and fish

2578
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:28,080
right and

2579
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:30,239
but they went away because the the

2580
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,320
contactees the americans not the

2581
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:34,239
americans the italians couldn't get

2582
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:36,800
along they started fighting and again if

2583
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:39,119
they have a technology called harmony

2584
01:47:43,430 --> 01:47:41,280
and we you and i talked about the fact

2585
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,440
that we have to change the way we think

2586
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:45,360
and we can't have a war economy and we

2587
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:47,920
have to have a cosmic consciousness if

2588
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:50,400
they have that as a technology of course

2589
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:52,560
they can't stay with these with these

2590
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:54,239
italians if they're fighting among each

2591
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,719
other it's a vibration is that why the

2592
01:48:03,669 --> 01:47:58,480
contact ended

2593
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:03,679
and and i had them tell me they'd say

2594
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:06,560
well what would happen is like two two

2595
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:08,320
you know two of these people would go

2596
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,119
out um the italians and they and they'd

2597
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:13,440
have a contact and the other two or the

2598
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:15,360
other were jealous that they didn't get

2599
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:16,560
to go

2600
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:18,320
they would argue among themselves and

2601
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:20,560
how come you get contacted and i don't

2602
01:48:25,669 --> 01:48:23,199
get contact which is really what's going

2603
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:25,679
on a lot in a lot of these cases with

2604
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,760
conflict and jealousies and

2605
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:29,920
misinformation and so forth that's out

2606
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:33,679
there and but the lesson that the w56

2607
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:36,639
has left was very very important

2608
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:37,760
they want

2609
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:40,320
friendship with the humans

2610
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:43,360
uh whether in the friendship case in the

2611
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:46,639
pescada area is uh very much like the

2612
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,119
friendship case in chile which happened

2613
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:52,080
in chile too and and we found out that

2614
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:54,480
these experiments with aliens living

2615
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,600
among us

2616
01:49:02,390 --> 01:48:58,320
they're happening all over the world

2617
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:02,400
now the uh the friendship case uh

2618
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:03,119
the

2619
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:08,000
again it's my memory right i but uh it

2620
01:49:14,229 --> 01:49:11,679
was was offshore and was underwater

2621
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,239
is it unoccupied now are are you saying

2622
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,800
that the w56 split

2623
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:18,480
that they are known but we're thinking

2624
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,080
about it in our terms because i couldn't

2625
01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:21,920
understand that i did another case on

2626
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:23,600
the other coast in the

2627
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:26,480
uh in genoa where the maori chicago case

2628
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:28,159
where he actually gave me polaroids of

2629
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:29,199
the beings

2630
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:31,840
um but the thing is that what what i

2631
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:34,239
can't understand he told me it worked

2632
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:36,560
this way the water would open up

2633
01:49:41,590 --> 01:49:38,639
and there was another dimension and

2634
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:41,600
that's where the car the the the base

2635
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:42,400
was

2636
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:45,280
i my mind is always thinking human type

2637
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:47,920
you know well you that's water how you

2638
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,719
can you live under water you know but

2639
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:52,560
they're talking dimensionality that

2640
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:54,880
they're different dimensions i guess

2641
01:49:59,590 --> 01:49:57,520
people would call them portals um where

2642
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:59,600
the water opens up and there is an

2643
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,800
active

2644
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:02,960
base under that water and i have all

2645
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:04,560
kinds of stories that were told to me

2646
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:07,440
about the adriatic coast and and ufos

2647
01:50:14,310 --> 01:50:09,679
coming out of the water there and also

2648
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:14,320
on the other side near genoa so you know

2649
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:16,960
my expertise is that i have covered

2650
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:19,679
stories all over the world in person and

2651
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:21,360
i'm trying like you

2652
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:25,679
to figure this out how many um italians

2653
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,880
humans i should say italians

2654
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:31,360
how many were in contact with the w56

2655
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,199
how big was that group

2656
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:36,080
you saw the video yes on youtube the

2657
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:39,360
video is really clear uh it's ten they

2658
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:41,199
picked ten but it wasn't just the ten it

2659
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:43,199
was also cardinals of the vatican were

2660
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:45,760
involved console at parago who's one of

2661
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,320
our biggest protagonists during that

2662
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:51,280
time with contact he was a council he

2663
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:53,760
who lived from rome uh

2664
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:56,480
there was all kinds of you know elite

2665
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,880
people involved in this case you know

2666
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:00,639
people you can name

2667
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:03,920
uh that were involved in this case uh so

2668
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:07,119
uh it's it's very rich case and then you

2669
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:08,960
can imagine how i felt going to lake

2670
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:11,119
como and sitting there with the with the

2671
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,800
husband and wife couple that actually

2672
01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:15,360
interacted so that what they told me was

2673
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,600
and this is this is again the bottom

2674
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:19,760
line they they showed me a piece of

2675
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:21,840
paper i have a photograph of it the

2676
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:24,239
message is unite

2677
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:27,840
this planet needs to unite to survive

2678
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:31,040
which is the same message that uh

2679
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,040
mentor got van tassel got in giant rock

2680
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:37,199
you people the end of separation you

2681
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:38,480
better unite

2682
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:41,360
uh so i'm looking at the united states

2683
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:44,400
during the 50s and 60s i'm looking at

2684
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:47,840
italy 56 and i had to go to

2685
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:50,800
south america in the 70s and and it's

2686
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,719
active still jimmy in south america you

2687
01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:57,199
mentioned uh that you got polaroids of

2688
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:00,840
the entities i remember uh one of those

2689
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:04,159
polaroids from the w56

2690
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:07,760
uh in the friendship case was uh uh had

2691
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:08,800
a

2692
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:28,639
come to see him

2693
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:31,040
uh he let me in the door because it was

2694
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:32,800
they said an american journalist will be

2695
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:34,880
knocking a new door they gave him

2696
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,639
they gave him the date

2697
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:38,560
and and he let me in and gave me the

2698
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:42,960
polaroids the the 50 w56 pictures are

2699
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:46,239
that tall 10-foot uh template guy with

2700
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:48,800
the uh hawaiian shirt yep that's what i

2701
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:49,599
know

2702
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:53,280
ten foot tall i do the giant

2703
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:56,080
and then the apparition walking down the

2704
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:58,560
street that's sea sigius who's walking

2705
01:53:01,910 --> 01:53:00,080
with a human but

2706
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,920
but it looks like he's going in and out

2707
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,440
of dimensions

2708
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,280
and that's he's going down the street

2709
01:53:08,629 --> 01:53:07,199
but what's amazing about that case is

2710
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:08,639
all the ufos

2711
01:53:13,589 --> 01:53:11,520
that gasped the dilemma uh photographed

2712
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:13,599
real ufo pictures

2713
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:14,880
of photos

2714
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:17,280
from those days and ufos coming out of

2715
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:19,760
the water and those are photographs

2716
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:22,080
black and white no cgi

2717
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:25,119
not everything is cgi

2718
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,960
from that case

2719
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:28,880
it's it the friendship case blows my

2720
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:31,280
mind i mean it uh

2721
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,520
it wasn't just one person or two you

2722
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,280
know there was uh it was a group that

2723
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:37,520
made contact i do remember the

2724
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:39,599
recordings uh and the conversations

2725
01:53:44,229 --> 01:53:41,760
which you have now that must be

2726
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:44,239
fascinating to listen to but the case

2727
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:45,760
itself

2728
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:48,560
would just didn't break uh like it

2729
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,280
should have it it was uh it was a

2730
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:53,119
tremendous case with with evidence and

2731
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,960
trace evidence and photographs and and

2732
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:56,800
and audio tapes and

2733
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:00,080
and and and testimony that that went on

2734
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,199
for years it wasn't well there's a book

2735
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:06,000
that timothy goodrock called uh earth an

2736
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:08,639
alien enterprise and it's in there

2737
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:10,719
but the thing is this is what i find and

2738
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,080
i'm going to be honest with you nobody

2739
01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:14,719
wants a read nobody wants to study this

2740
01:54:18,629 --> 01:54:16,400
they want it quick and dirty it's

2741
01:54:19,830 --> 01:54:18,639
entertainment and nobody it looks at it

2742
01:54:23,189 --> 01:54:19,840
seriously

2743
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,199
because they're we're really it's

2744
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:24,880
you can give it to them i've lectured

2745
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:27,119
all over the world on these things and

2746
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:28,560
people just walk out like they didn't

2747
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:31,119
hear it so i don't think that a lot of

2748
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:33,599
people care and it's okay i mean it's

2749
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:34,480
fine

2750
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:35,679
uh

2751
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:38,560
but i my purpose anymore

2752
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:41,040
is just to record it for history i mean

2753
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:43,199
the only reason i do anything i do is to

2754
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,560
leave it for your children your

2755
01:54:48,709 --> 01:54:46,639
grandchildren your great-grandchildren

2756
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:48,719
that somebody went and talked to the the

2757
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:50,719
original people and you have the

2758
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:52,719
original testimonies and that's called

2759
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:55,119
the history of planet earth

2760
01:54:58,470 --> 01:54:57,040
somebody just sent me uh

2761
01:55:00,070 --> 01:54:58,480
the the

2762
01:55:01,830 --> 01:55:00,080
the picture of the entity that we're

2763
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:01,840
talking about on the street

2764
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,800
and uh

2765
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,040
it just stirs my memory now i remember

2766
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:07,440
all of this and wow

2767
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:09,599
yeah the friendship case blew my mind it

2768
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:12,320
was just one you see the thing is

2769
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,320
with you following this is what i enjoy

2770
01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:16,639
about it it's it's the research and we

2771
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:18,880
all go and study

2772
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:20,960
the big cases and there's a lot of

2773
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,719
information out there it's when you find

2774
01:55:25,510 --> 01:55:23,920
a gem

2775
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:25,520
you know like the friendship case that

2776
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:27,199
you don't know about you go and you jump

2777
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:29,119
into this and you've realized how

2778
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:30,400
significant

2779
01:55:35,589 --> 01:55:33,360
and and how big it was and uh i i

2780
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:35,599
suggest to anybody out there go

2781
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,239
and check out uh i think the video the

2782
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:40,960
movie the video is really good

2783
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:42,400
tell them to look up

2784
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:45,440
friendship case video it's it's about uh

2785
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:48,080
half an hour and it's it's very fast and

2786
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,040
it tells all about it and and it's real

2787
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,199
it happened i talked to the people

2788
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,880
let's uh let's take a break right here

2789
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:56,400
paula we got to do it i got to pay the

2790
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,719
bills so let's do that now

2791
01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:00,400
this is fade to black our guest tonight

2792
01:56:04,870 --> 01:56:02,719
paula harris and we're doing it all

2793
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,880
tonight we're going to continue with

2794
01:56:11,210 --> 01:56:06,960
ufology around the world we'll be right

2795
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:11,220
back after this short break stay with us

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02:01:15,589 --> 02:01:14,159
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our murals jimmy church you can follow

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for paula tonight you can post them

2912
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right there hashtag f2bq

2913
02:01:35,189 --> 02:01:33,760
uh paula what you are are you on twitter

2914
02:01:37,270 --> 02:01:35,199
um

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02:01:40,390 --> 02:01:37,280
i am but i don't know how to use it i

2916
02:01:43,830 --> 02:01:40,400
all i can say is that my um did i have

2917
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:43,840
the star wars usa on twitter uh the star

2918
02:01:48,950 --> 02:01:46,480
wars usa you know is my company that

2919
02:01:51,589 --> 02:01:48,960
does the uh the laughlin conference in

2920
02:01:53,669 --> 02:01:51,599
november i'm on the sixth year of that

2921
02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:53,679
conference right which is really based

2922
02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:55,520
on consciousness and i use twitter for

2923
02:01:58,070 --> 02:01:56,719
that

2924
02:02:00,070 --> 02:01:58,080
now uh

2925
02:02:01,669 --> 02:02:00,080
it's gonna get posted up there in

2926
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:01,679
twitter here in just a second so

2927
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:03,760
everybody go and follow apollo right

2928
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:04,480
there

2929
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:07,440
um one of the things that

2930
02:02:12,149 --> 02:02:10,000
i find most interesting is it's very

2931
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:12,159
easy to research cases here in the

2932
02:02:16,470 --> 02:02:14,320
united states there's a lot of

2933
02:02:18,470 --> 02:02:16,480
documentation in books and videos and

2934
02:02:19,830 --> 02:02:18,480
and things that you can go and do and

2935
02:02:20,790 --> 02:02:19,840
and and and

2936
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:20,800
but

2937
02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:22,400
for me the

2938
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:25,360
international cases are

2939
02:02:29,990 --> 02:02:27,840
so amazing and

2940
02:02:31,589 --> 02:02:30,000
uh two of them every time i think

2941
02:02:33,510 --> 02:02:31,599
international well you know of course

2942
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:33,520
there's randall shim and

2943
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:35,360
and things but

2944
02:02:41,270 --> 02:02:37,679
is uh the ariel school

2945
02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:41,280
in rwa uh in in zimbabwe

2946
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:43,920
here we have you know a school

2947
02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:47,360
uh students the playground and and a

2948
02:02:51,030 --> 02:02:49,360
flying saucer lands

2949
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:51,040
being comes off

2950
02:02:56,310 --> 02:02:53,280
makes contact with the kids

2951
02:02:58,870 --> 02:02:56,320
they all report it and they're all alive

2952
02:03:01,109 --> 02:02:58,880
today well you know the majority and

2953
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:01,119
they can go back and recall this it's

2954
02:03:06,950 --> 02:03:04,560
one of the most amazing cases in all

2955
02:03:09,430 --> 02:03:06,960
history and the second one

2956
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:09,440
strangely enough that always pops in i

2957
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:11,199
talk about these two cases all the time

2958
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:12,239
on the show

2959
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:14,800
is westall right yeah

2960
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:16,560
australia i was just going to mention

2961
02:03:20,390 --> 02:03:18,159
that west hall have you interviewed

2962
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:20,400
anybody from there i'm working on that

2963
02:03:25,589 --> 02:03:23,520
now actually i ca i can get you i i can

2964
02:03:28,310 --> 02:03:25,599
get you contact there because

2965
02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:28,320
um james rigney works with us he comes

2966
02:03:33,589 --> 02:03:31,520
flies in from australia every year in

2967
02:03:36,709 --> 02:03:33,599
november he's on my board of directors

2968
02:03:39,189 --> 02:03:36,719
for the uh the laughlin conference and

2969
02:03:41,350 --> 02:03:39,199
he brought james fox over to interview

2970
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:41,360
those people

2971
02:03:47,149 --> 02:03:44,639
for his movie and that is amazing also

2972
02:03:51,350 --> 02:03:47,159
the same thing happened

2973
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:51,360
300 kids and the staff right this is

2974
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:52,400
it's it's

2975
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:54,880
absolutely it's a no joke and that's a

2976
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:56,880
great documentary by the way the westall

2977
02:04:01,990 --> 02:03:59,599
ufo documentary is an amazing film

2978
02:04:03,750 --> 02:04:02,000
that gave me some pretty trippy dreams

2979
02:04:06,310 --> 02:04:03,760
uh for about a month

2980
02:04:08,790 --> 02:04:06,320
but you know those are two cases that

2981
02:04:13,430 --> 02:04:08,800
are are outside of the united states

2982
02:04:15,510 --> 02:04:13,440
clearly the ufo uh question is not an

2983
02:04:17,350 --> 02:04:15,520
american phenomenon is it

2984
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:17,360
i was that was just going to come out of

2985
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:19,520
my mouth we're on the same wavelength

2986
02:04:24,070 --> 02:04:21,760
that's the problem because

2987
02:04:25,750 --> 02:04:24,080
we think this is an american phenomenon

2988
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:25,760
and we we just you know we don't

2989
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:28,560
understand that whatever or whoever is

2990
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:30,800
is visiting this planet is going

2991
02:04:36,470 --> 02:04:34,159
everywhere and and talking to everyone

2992
02:04:38,950 --> 02:04:36,480
and uh in contacting when you go to

2993
02:04:39,910 --> 02:04:38,960
contact children it's a whole other

2994
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:39,920
world

2995
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:41,760
it is because

2996
02:04:45,430 --> 02:04:44,159
yeah because children are pure they're

2997
02:04:46,790 --> 02:04:45,440
honest they're going to tell the truth

2998
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:46,800
they don't have an agenda they don't

2999
02:04:51,669 --> 02:04:47,920
want money

3000
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:51,679
and so uh you know if someone does their

3001
02:04:55,270 --> 02:04:52,560
work

3002
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:55,280
properly they should be covering this i

3003
02:05:00,390 --> 02:04:58,320
think james fox uh covered uh the ariel

3004
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:00,400
school in africa as well

3005
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:03,040
yes he did uh he's a good friend he's

3006
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:07,119
wonderful and his his new film um

3007
02:05:12,629 --> 02:05:09,280
i saw clips of his new film i'm going to

3008
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:12,639
have him in laughlin in 2020 to to to

3009
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:14,560
show his film but

3010
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:16,639
what what the why the film is good is

3011
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:18,480
because he travels all over the world

3012
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:21,360
and he gets the source he talks to the

3013
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:24,320
actual people not people who know people

3014
02:05:28,550 --> 02:05:26,639
who know people and you just mentioned

3015
02:05:31,669 --> 02:05:28,560
randall shim and i just spent this past

3016
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:31,679
weekend with uh with uh jim pennison and

3017
02:05:36,629 --> 02:05:33,679
he jim had reached out to me because

3018
02:05:37,830 --> 02:05:36,639
he's writing a new book with gary osmore

3019
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:37,840
on the code

3020
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:40,639
and the code is there's a code within a

3021
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,599
code

3022
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:43,599
and uh and uh

3023
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:45,280
it's just amazing to me to listen to

3024
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:46,800
this man because

3025
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,320
16 pages of binary code

3026
02:05:54,790 --> 02:05:52,480
is something that's totally amazing and

3027
02:05:55,589 --> 02:05:54,800
and james told me that it was

3028
02:05:57,669 --> 02:05:55,599
uh

3029
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:57,679
it came into his mind when he was

3030
02:06:02,629 --> 02:05:59,360
sleeping and the only way that he would

3031
02:06:05,270 --> 02:06:02,639
feel good is to transpose it to write it

3032
02:06:07,430 --> 02:06:05,280
to get it out of his brain he was

3033
02:06:10,550 --> 02:06:07,440
downloaded with this code so the

3034
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:10,560
expertise is somebody like gary osborne

3035
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:13,440
who who you know used mathematics he

3036
02:06:18,070 --> 02:06:15,760
used coordinates he used a lot of

3037
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:18,080
different ways to decode this the book

3038
02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:20,080
is going to be amazing because

3039
02:06:24,310 --> 02:06:21,920
i just talked to him today

3040
02:06:26,950 --> 02:06:24,320
there is a final message there that has

3041
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:26,960
to do with consciousness so everywhere i

3042
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:29,280
go you can go nuts and bolts all you

3043
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:32,480
want you can do mathematics all you want

3044
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:35,920
you can uh you know go to to you know

3045
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:39,280
examine science all you want but i find

3046
02:06:44,310 --> 02:06:41,920
that the common denominator in all of

3047
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:44,320
the stuff that's happening to this

3048
02:06:49,350 --> 02:06:46,960
planet has to do with the evolution or

3049
02:06:51,669 --> 02:06:49,360
the elevation of human consciousness now

3050
02:06:53,350 --> 02:06:51,679
i just mentioned my two favorite uh

3051
02:06:54,950 --> 02:06:53,360
international cases i just had john

3052
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:54,960
burroughs on the show last night by the

3053
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,639
way talking about

3054
02:07:00,790 --> 02:06:58,880
and yeah he mentioned uh osborne and

3055
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:00,800
peniston's new book and i think we're

3056
02:07:04,709 --> 02:07:02,880
all excited about that i had so many

3057
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:04,719
questions about the binary code last

3058
02:07:08,229 --> 02:07:06,719
night coming in from the audience and of

3059
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:08,239
course burroughs can't address it

3060
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,360
because that you know that was a

3061
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:11,280
peniston situation but

3062
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:13,520
uh the book is coming out and i i'm

3063
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:14,960
looking forward to it i want to know

3064
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:17,280
yeah march 1st is called larendosham

3065
02:07:21,910 --> 02:07:18,800
enigma

3066
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:21,920
and jim had reached out to me because

3067
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:24,320
i had met him at the citizen hearing i

3068
02:07:29,189 --> 02:07:26,719
went and i had met both of them at the

3069
02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:29,199
citizen hearing i went to that talk

3070
02:07:32,229 --> 02:07:30,800
about disclosure if that didn't do

3071
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:32,239
anything and then i don't know what else

3072
02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:35,040
we need to do that was 39 witnesses

3073
02:07:41,030 --> 02:07:37,840
actually 40 with linda mullen howe and

3074
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:41,040
if that didn't do anything you know

3075
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:44,639
anymore i i don't have any hopes that

3076
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:46,800
that we'll all be on the same page with

3077
02:07:51,669 --> 02:07:49,440
this jimmy uh there are people that

3078
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:51,679
really care that are gonna research this

3079
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:53,840
that are gonna get personal uh a

3080
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:56,800
personal uh kind of um

3081
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,119
satisfaction about their own lives out

3082
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:01,280
of this and then and then there's

3083
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:02,880
the enter the i'm going to say the

3084
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:06,239
entertainment angle which you know is is

3085
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:09,199
it becomes the disneyland kind of thing

3086
02:08:13,109 --> 02:08:11,119
and and you know because i've been down

3087
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:13,119
to roswell i've seen the parade with all

3088
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:15,520
the different aliens and i've seen

3089
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:18,159
i've seen this kind of aspect of it and

3090
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:19,599
and i'm looking

3091
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:21,840
at this going you know who's going to

3092
02:08:26,310 --> 02:08:23,599
take us seriously

3093
02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:26,320
i really want the scientists and the

3094
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:29,440
professors the universities

3095
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:32,239
to take this seriously and i don't know

3096
02:08:35,910 --> 02:08:33,840
how much they're going to take it

3097
02:08:38,069 --> 02:08:35,920
seriously unless we represent it as a

3098
02:08:40,629 --> 02:08:38,079
study well i just gave you my two

3099
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:40,639
favorite uh cases or the two that pop

3100
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:42,560
into my mind first and when we're

3101
02:08:47,109 --> 02:08:45,360
talking about international uh

3102
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:47,119
ufo incidents

3103
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:48,880
for you what do you want to bring to the

3104
02:08:53,270 --> 02:08:50,800
table what's the one incident or two

3105
02:08:55,589 --> 02:08:53,280
that that stand out for you

3106
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:55,599
the ricardo gonzalez case contact from

3107
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:59,360
mapu uh that ricardo gonzalez uh and

3108
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:01,920
that's latin american and the uh she

3109
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:05,760
still passed wells in the 1970s the the

3110
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:07,599
the people that went out to meditate in

3111
02:09:11,189 --> 02:09:09,199
the chileka desert

3112
02:09:13,109 --> 02:09:11,199
uh the boy the those young boys and

3113
02:09:14,310 --> 02:09:13,119
everybody can go on youtube to get the

3114
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:14,320
the actual

3115
02:09:18,709 --> 02:09:16,400
uh you know word for word interviews

3116
02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:18,719
because i went uh and and interviewed

3117
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:20,480
them she still paused with a

3118
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:22,560
consciousness life expo

3119
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:24,639
so that's where i did my my interview

3120
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:27,599
with sisto uh he's in the the the latin

3121
02:09:33,189 --> 02:09:30,159
part of the expo um

3122
02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:33,199
those latin american cases for me are

3123
02:09:38,069 --> 02:09:35,840
very very important uh

3124
02:09:40,069 --> 02:09:38,079
and because of contact with definite

3125
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:40,079
messages and they're human type aliens

3126
02:09:46,870 --> 02:09:43,199
the other one is the howard manager case

3127
02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:46,880
howard manager highbridge new jersey uh

3128
02:09:50,950 --> 02:09:49,760
i do a lecture on that uh and and

3129
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:50,960
basically

3130
02:09:55,270 --> 02:09:53,599
um i have some photos from the wendell

3131
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:55,280
stevens archive

3132
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:57,840
on that and who's sitting in the orchard

3133
02:10:01,589 --> 02:09:59,440
with a hundred people

3134
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:01,599
and you've heard this is val thor and

3135
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:03,360
two other beings

3136
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:05,440
and i have the photos of that color and

3137
02:10:08,310 --> 02:10:07,280
in black and white to come from wendell

3138
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:08,320
stevens

3139
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:10,400
and i have the audio tape of the

3140
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:13,040
photographer auggie roberts who says to

3141
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:15,280
wendell you know howard manager told me

3142
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:17,040
there were going to be three

3143
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:19,280
you know extraterrestrials sitting there

3144
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:21,360
and he didn't tell me who they were and

3145
02:10:24,229 --> 02:10:22,880
he says i had to take pictures of

3146
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:24,239
everybody and these three were

3147
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:25,679
overdressed

3148
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:27,360
and they were sitting in the orchard

3149
02:10:33,109 --> 02:10:30,000
with howard menger and that

3150
02:10:35,109 --> 02:10:33,119
uh and in that case is fascinating for

3151
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:35,119
me because none of my colleagues and i

3152
02:10:37,990 --> 02:10:36,639
haven't been able to afford to go to

3153
02:10:39,589 --> 02:10:38,000
high bridge in new jersey but i want to

3154
02:10:41,510 --> 02:10:39,599
go to that orchard

3155
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:41,520
you said that you have color photographs

3156
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:43,040
of valley and thor

3157
02:10:47,109 --> 02:10:45,440
yeah i do uh uh because they come from

3158
02:10:49,669 --> 02:10:47,119
the wendell stevens archive wendell

3159
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:49,679
stevens probably had more

3160
02:10:54,830 --> 02:10:52,639
material any researcher on planet earth

3161
02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:54,840
i knew him really well no

3162
02:11:00,790 --> 02:10:58,079
questions and he and that i got these

3163
02:11:03,350 --> 02:11:00,800
photos a hundred photos plus audio tape

3164
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:03,360
plus a letter of the photographer that

3165
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:05,760
took the pictures of thor and don and

3166
02:11:08,790 --> 02:11:07,440
jill sitting there

3167
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:08,800
um so

3168
02:11:12,550 --> 02:11:10,960
you know i have no doubts that they they

3169
02:11:15,189 --> 02:11:12,560
were sincere

3170
02:11:17,270 --> 02:11:15,199
uh that mentor said he you know they're

3171
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:17,280
gonna be there and everybody else is

3172
02:11:21,669 --> 02:11:19,760
dressed in shorts and you know just

3173
02:11:23,510 --> 02:11:21,679
hanging out in an orchard and there's a

3174
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:23,520
howard mentioner with dark glasses and

3175
02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:26,159
there's these three overdressed

3176
02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:27,040
um

3177
02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:29,119
very formal i'm convinced even you know

3178
02:11:33,669 --> 02:11:30,719
talking to glenn steckling who did

3179
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:33,679
adamski said these people would

3180
02:11:37,750 --> 02:11:35,920
would go with adamski there were aliens

3181
02:11:39,990 --> 02:11:37,760
they would accompany him in his lecture

3182
02:11:43,109 --> 02:11:40,000
tours in germany and they would dress in

3183
02:11:44,870 --> 02:11:43,119
certain ties and he showed me a polaroid

3184
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:44,880
and he said look at this room he said

3185
02:11:48,790 --> 02:11:46,560
which one is the

3186
02:11:50,229 --> 02:11:48,800
the uh the being and i said well it's

3187
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:50,239
the guy that looks like tab hunter

3188
02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:51,760
that's overdressed

3189
02:11:56,790 --> 02:11:53,760
really good-looking young blonde man he

3190
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:56,800
says yeah he's not he's not uh human he

3191
02:12:00,790 --> 02:11:58,400
doesn't come from here

3192
02:12:02,550 --> 02:12:00,800
and i'm thinking oh my god you know

3193
02:12:05,189 --> 02:12:02,560
we're missing this whole part of history

3194
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:05,199
the 1950s and 60s

3195
02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:06,719
back in the

3196
02:12:13,750 --> 02:12:10,480
uh 80s late 80s about remember when we

3197
02:12:16,390 --> 02:12:13,760
had three hour and six hour video tapes

3198
02:12:18,870 --> 02:12:16,400
right those extended play

3199
02:12:20,229 --> 02:12:18,880
long video tapes and somebody gave me i

3200
02:12:21,270 --> 02:12:20,239
still have them they're packed away in

3201
02:12:23,750 --> 02:12:21,280
boxes

3202
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:23,760
but somebody gave me two check this out

3203
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:25,599
paula two

3204
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:26,480
uh

3205
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:28,800
three hour video tapes

3206
02:12:35,189 --> 02:12:31,199
of wendell stevens

3207
02:12:38,149 --> 02:12:35,199
going through his favorite images

3208
02:12:40,790 --> 02:12:38,159
now the and describing each one

3209
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:40,800
and i i don't know how many he goes

3210
02:12:44,629 --> 02:12:42,960
through in in the six hours and it's

3211
02:12:45,910 --> 02:12:44,639
like somebody with a video camera

3212
02:12:47,350 --> 02:12:45,920
sitting there with wendell wendell

3213
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:47,360
sitting in a chair and he's got his

3214
02:12:51,109 --> 02:12:50,239
photo albums out and he's flipping pages

3215
02:12:53,669 --> 02:12:51,119
right

3216
02:12:56,709 --> 02:12:53,679
it's the most incredible thing i would

3217
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:56,719
watch this these two video tapes over

3218
02:13:00,470 --> 02:12:59,599
and over and over again

3219
02:13:03,510 --> 02:13:00,480
and

3220
02:13:05,350 --> 02:13:03,520
uh there's probably

3221
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:05,360
it's got to be a thousand photographs

3222
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:06,880
that he goes through

3223
02:13:11,910 --> 02:13:09,199
and it's it's it's just incredible i

3224
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:11,920
miss wendell yeah i miss him too and you

3225
02:13:16,229 --> 02:13:13,599
know one of the reasons is because

3226
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:16,239
wendell traveled all over the world and

3227
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:17,840
uh we don't have time now and i don't

3228
02:13:22,790 --> 02:13:20,320
want to talk about it but i spent four

3229
02:13:24,870 --> 02:13:22,800
hours in the tucson airport with wendell

3230
02:13:26,950 --> 02:13:24,880
stevens before i went to switzerland to

3231
02:13:29,669 --> 02:13:26,960
to look at the billy myer case

3232
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:29,679
i spent four hours we just

3233
02:13:34,229 --> 02:13:31,760
sat on the airport and he told me every

3234
02:13:37,109 --> 02:13:34,239
detail of everything and then i went to

3235
02:13:39,430 --> 02:13:37,119
meet rudy with three italians and

3236
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:39,440
and talked to the townspeople and did a

3237
02:13:44,310 --> 02:13:41,440
lot of research over there that's

3238
02:13:47,270 --> 02:13:44,320
another case of human type aliens that's

3239
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:47,280
you know just you know put under the rug

3240
02:13:50,069 --> 02:13:49,199
it just completely slipped and swept

3241
02:13:52,069 --> 02:13:50,079
away

3242
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:52,079
uh and that picture is not one of the

3243
02:13:57,109 --> 02:13:54,719
gold diggers from dean martin as if uh

3244
02:13:58,390 --> 02:13:57,119
you know uh the picture i think of ask

3245
02:14:00,629 --> 02:13:58,400
it because you think

3246
02:14:02,149 --> 02:14:00,639
somebody like billy meyer who's a farmer

3247
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:02,159
is going to watch a dean martin show and

3248
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:04,239
pick a gold digger i mean some of this

3249
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:08,320
is so illogical and ridiculous uh and

3250
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:10,639
and i i want to do that case and before

3251
02:14:15,510 --> 02:14:13,280
i did it because wendell stevens and lee

3252
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:15,520
and brit elders did it

3253
02:14:19,589 --> 02:14:17,679
and i've talked to brit elders

3254
02:14:21,350 --> 02:14:19,599
i have to talk to the people i have to

3255
02:14:23,270 --> 02:14:21,360
get the background i have to know what

3256
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:23,280
they saw i have to know the original

3257
02:14:25,350 --> 02:14:24,400
stuff

3258
02:14:30,950 --> 02:14:25,360
um

3259
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:30,960
type alien to get away from the

3260
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:33,679
abduction stuff that were 100 percent

3261
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:36,800
immersed in right now to understand if

3262
02:14:41,030 --> 02:14:38,960
there were messages that came with these

3263
02:14:43,350 --> 02:14:41,040
civilizations

3264
02:14:46,310 --> 02:14:43,360
well there's uh and there's an aspect to

3265
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:46,320
this that i find interesting both with

3266
02:14:52,709 --> 02:14:49,119
somebody like george van tassel and the

3267
02:14:54,149 --> 02:14:52,719
original contactees from the 1950s uh

3268
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:54,159
and you just brought it up fifteen

3269
02:14:58,149 --> 02:14:56,639
thousand people at giant rock right that

3270
02:14:58,950 --> 02:14:58,159
that that was

3271
02:15:05,669 --> 02:14:58,960
uh

3272
02:15:06,790 --> 02:15:05,679
and you have to ask yourself one basic

3273
02:15:08,709 --> 02:15:06,800
question

3274
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:08,719
were all of those people crazy and

3275
02:15:14,709 --> 02:15:12,400
delusional or were these based on actual

3276
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:14,719
events and experiences and i fast

3277
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:18,719
forward to today paula and i ask the

3278
02:15:24,149 --> 02:15:21,440
very same questions when we have the

3279
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:24,159
abduction phenomenon and the channeling

3280
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:26,880
and the contact that we have today

3281
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:29,760
of which there are probably millions of

3282
02:15:34,470 --> 02:15:31,840
people out there with these same

3283
02:15:36,229 --> 02:15:34,480
experiences that they are talking about

3284
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:36,239
what do we do with that are we saying

3285
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,920
that we've got millions of people

3286
02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:39,840
walking around on this planet completely

3287
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:42,880
delusional and schizophrenic and insane

3288
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:44,880
or no

3289
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:46,800
the way that i can answer that is john

3290
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:47,840
mack

3291
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:51,280
uh just before he died he said to me you

3292
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:53,599
know paula he said it is a progression

3293
02:15:58,709 --> 02:15:56,159
he said there were abductions because he

3294
02:16:00,390 --> 02:15:58,719
wrote the book abductions my goodness uh

3295
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:00,400
and he said but what's happening is

3296
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:03,119
there's been a transformation into

3297
02:16:07,510 --> 02:16:04,719
direct downloads now that whether you

3298
02:16:09,270 --> 02:16:07,520
want to call that channeling or whatever

3299
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:09,280
he said the people i'm talking to right

3300
02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:11,760
now can sit in a chair perfectly awake

3301
02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:15,119
and get direct downloads

3302
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:16,719
and he said it's like evolution it's

3303
02:16:20,950 --> 02:16:19,119
like an evolutionary phase now this is

3304
02:16:23,589 --> 02:16:20,960
the one year before he died and and he

3305
02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:23,599
spent some time in my apartment in rome

3306
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:25,360
so i got to talk to him about these

3307
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,440
things because i'm really curious

3308
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:29,199
however what i'm complaining about is

3309
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:31,599
that all of every single conference

3310
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:33,760
that's all there is you don't touch the

3311
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:37,040
human alien aspect at all that becomes

3312
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:38,479
historical

3313
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:39,760
and i mean

3314
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:41,120
but don't

3315
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:44,479
and don't you see that uh these people

3316
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:46,800
that not only come up to me and talk but

3317
02:16:50,790 --> 02:16:48,559
that are intent you know and tell me

3318
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:50,800
their experiences but that attend these

3319
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:53,519
conferences including yours right

3320
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:55,439
they're out there trying to seek answers

3321
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:57,760
they're trying to they can't talk to

3322
02:17:02,389 --> 02:17:00,000
their boss or their family about it not

3323
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:02,399
necessarily but they can go and hang out

3324
02:17:06,150 --> 02:17:03,920
ask questions and

3325
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:06,160
and and find others that have had

3326
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:08,399
similar experiences so they can go and

3327
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:11,280
talk and get this out

3328
02:17:14,790 --> 02:17:13,280
absolutely we have an experience or

3329
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:14,800
group

3330
02:17:19,429 --> 02:17:17,120
every morning and where they can share

3331
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:19,439
their uh experiences

3332
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:21,280
and that's important and and they're

3333
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:23,920
like-minded people however like you just

3334
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:26,399
said we we bring in people from other

3335
02:17:30,950 --> 02:17:28,800
countries i brought she still passed i

3336
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:30,960
brought ricardo every time he come to

3337
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:32,960
gonzales speaks and he spoke at my

3338
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:34,800
conference last year

3339
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,679
he's very logical he shows the proof

3340
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:40,080
because he travels all over has real

3341
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:42,880
contact as he's finished his speech he

3342
02:17:46,709 --> 02:17:45,200
gets up to walk out and he doesn't speak

3343
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:46,719
english that well and the whole room

3344
02:17:51,509 --> 02:17:48,399
empties and follows them out right

3345
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,519
because they resonate with the messages

3346
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:53,519
that these opponents

3347
02:17:59,110 --> 02:17:56,319
who who say they're us from the future

3348
02:18:01,509 --> 02:17:59,120
uh have and they and people walk out and

3349
02:18:03,589 --> 02:18:01,519
they the problem is again the language

3350
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:03,599
barrier so i had the books translated

3351
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,880
into english

3352
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:06,000
um

3353
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:09,040
and and the books are on amazon but it's

3354
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,399
new information

3355
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,040
jimmy and that's and he spoke last year

3356
02:18:19,509 --> 02:18:15,679
actually consciousness life expo ricardo

3357
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:19,519
did uh and i think that if you're

3358
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:21,840
studying this you've got to study all of

3359
02:18:27,270 --> 02:18:26,080
it all of it every single aspect

3360
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:27,280
the uh

3361
02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:29,760
uh lineup that you had last year i'm

3362
02:18:33,669 --> 02:18:31,519
gonna i'm gonna confess something to you

3363
02:18:35,750 --> 02:18:33,679
right now live on the air so i go and i

3364
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:35,760
look at paula's lineup uh for her

3365
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:37,120
conference last year and i'm looking i

3366
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:39,920
went there is three months worth of

3367
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:42,000
shows for me right there

3368
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:45,280
all international speakers with a fresh

3369
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:48,479
take on everything and that i i really

3370
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:51,040
appreciate and commend you uh for taking

3371
02:18:55,990 --> 02:18:54,160
that angle and going fully nearly

3372
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:56,000
fully international last year are you

3373
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:57,760
going to continue that

3374
02:19:03,030 --> 02:19:00,399
well yeah i mean it was amazing that i

3375
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:03,040
got uri geller to agree to come in on

3376
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:05,040
skype uh this year and he's gonna have a

3377
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:07,120
reunion with russell targo on the stage

3378
02:19:11,910 --> 02:19:08,960
these are the russell target and hal

3379
02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:11,920
putta for the ones that that uh did the

3380
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:15,280
sri experiments on esp or remote viewing

3381
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:17,519
and i have angela smith and my boss

3382
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:19,599
mauricio bayada from italy who's going

3383
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:22,000
to talk about the michael wolf case and

3384
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:24,559
nick pope and the render actually i hope

3385
02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:27,760
you come because uh

3386
02:19:32,549 --> 02:19:29,920
it's all new stuff and that's all new

3387
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:32,559
and it's very difficult to do because a

3388
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,399
lot of these people need interpreters

3389
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:36,479
and i think it's very difficult

3390
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:38,319
for conferences

3391
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,200
that we have today to afford to bring uh

3392
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:43,040
international speakers and get an

3393
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:44,319
interpreter

3394
02:19:49,670 --> 02:19:47,120
you know and uh and i have to do it

3395
02:19:51,670 --> 02:19:49,680
because if i don't bring this

3396
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:51,680
information over who's going to do it

3397
02:19:55,510 --> 02:19:54,640
you know and i can honestly say this is

3398
02:19:57,590 --> 02:19:55,520
auto

3399
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:57,600
financed it's not there's no sponsors

3400
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:58,800
here i've had

3401
02:20:04,389 --> 02:20:01,600
to uh put my you know refinance my house

3402
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:04,399
i don't know how many times to do it um

3403
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:07,359
and i really really really want people

3404
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:10,319
to have this so i invite you uh

3405
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:11,120
to

3406
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:15,439
international speakers there's a woman

3407
02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:19,520
from peru that has contact with

3408
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:21,520
people from andromeda and she has

3409
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:23,840
photographs are unbelievable and she

3410
02:20:26,389 --> 02:20:25,520
does speak english

3411
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:26,399
so

3412
02:20:30,950 --> 02:20:28,560
you know marcelo would be amazing any of

3413
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:30,960
these people would be amazing

3414
02:20:35,349 --> 02:20:32,880
uh the uh

3415
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:35,359
the other part of this and i i want to

3416
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:37,120
get back to

3417
02:20:40,150 --> 02:20:38,000
uh

3418
02:20:42,630 --> 02:20:40,160
what i was asking earlier we got away

3419
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:42,640
from it which which i love right we just

3420
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,640
took the left and right hand turns but

3421
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:46,319
when we talk about

3422
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:47,120
uh

3423
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:51,280
chile or argentina or brazil or mexico

3424
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:52,240
uh

3425
02:21:01,270 --> 02:20:57,040
countries where the military

3426
02:21:02,389 --> 02:21:01,280
generals uh at uh will come

3427
02:21:05,030 --> 02:21:02,399
literally

3428
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:05,040
out in the public and discuss this

3429
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:07,680
that's a whole different attitude on the

3430
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:09,520
ufo question

3431
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,359
than what we do here in the united

3432
02:21:15,110 --> 02:21:13,680
states is there a chance we were talking

3433
02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:15,120
about disclosure

3434
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:17,359
that disclosure would happen from a

3435
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:20,800
country like chile or argentina

3436
02:21:24,309 --> 02:21:22,720
and and now from the united states where

3437
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:24,319
they come forward and go look okay you

3438
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:25,439
know what

3439
02:21:30,070 --> 02:21:28,640
we we got a craft in a warehouse in lima

3440
02:21:31,910 --> 02:21:30,080
peru

3441
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,920
is there is there a chance of that kind

3442
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:33,920
of disclosure coming outside of the

3443
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:36,080
united states and not from here

3444
02:21:39,590 --> 02:21:37,680
we already have i mean look at the

3445
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:39,600
virginia case for

3446
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:41,200
brazil

3447
02:21:45,190 --> 02:21:43,439
and roger lear wrote a whole book about

3448
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:45,200
the being that was taken to the hospital

3449
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:48,240
called the surgeon and the scalpel um

3450
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:50,319
the citizen hearing if you can get the

3451
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,960
tapes from that had these generals here

3452
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:54,720
they are generals from earl grey

3453
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:56,000
paragray

3454
02:22:03,190 --> 02:21:57,040
um

3455
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:03,200
project had uh the iranian pilot that

3456
02:22:07,429 --> 02:22:06,160
that had the near uh close call with the

3457
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,439
ufo

3458
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:09,359
we don't look at those things

3459
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:11,280
unfortunately they don't mean anything

3460
02:22:15,429 --> 02:22:13,359
to the average person because

3461
02:22:17,270 --> 02:22:15,439
they're looking at other aspects of the

3462
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:17,280
ufo phenomenon but i'm sitting in the

3463
02:22:20,950 --> 02:22:19,280
front row listening to these poor

3464
02:22:23,110 --> 02:22:20,960
generals they all stand up they raise

3465
02:22:24,309 --> 02:22:23,120
their hand they tell they swear to god

3466
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,319
they're going to tell the truth the

3467
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:26,560
whole truth and here are these uh

3468
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:29,359
congressmen that are retired and and

3469
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:32,399
mike gravel the senator from uh i think

3470
02:22:35,990 --> 02:22:33,920
he was alaska

3471
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:36,000
poor people they're listening to these

3472
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:37,120
generals

3473
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:39,840
one of them is turning white uh

3474
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:42,640
kilpatrick went to have some um

3475
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:44,640
coffee and i sat next to her she's an

3476
02:22:50,469 --> 02:22:47,680
ex-congress lady and she was her coffee

3477
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:50,479
cup was shaking and i said it's okay

3478
02:22:55,670 --> 02:22:52,800
it's okay i said to you it's okay this

3479
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:55,680
is real it's okay because they were in

3480
02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:58,319
shock that these credible generals from

3481
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:00,080
south america

3482
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:02,720
and we had uh gary hesseltein from

3483
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:05,680
england we had uh roberto pinotti from

3484
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:08,240
italy we had aj gevard from brazil i

3485
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:10,800
mean what more can you want

3486
02:23:15,110 --> 02:23:13,040
than all these people that are telling

3487
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:15,120
the truth about cases all over the world

3488
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:16,960
what more disclosure

3489
02:23:21,750 --> 02:23:18,960
do you want than that

3490
02:23:23,670 --> 02:23:21,760
and uh and i saw the reaction of those

3491
02:23:25,830 --> 02:23:23,680
poor congress people

3492
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:25,840
the retired ones that were part of the

3493
02:23:28,710 --> 02:23:27,359
panel

3494
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:28,720
and

3495
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,479
i don't think any of this makes a

3496
02:23:34,389 --> 02:23:32,479
difference i know i sound skeptical and

3497
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:34,399
jaded but i don't think any of it makes

3498
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:35,760
a difference

3499
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:38,399
it's very interesting uh outlook on all

3500
02:23:42,230 --> 02:23:40,640
of this it you know because disclosure

3501
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:42,240
means so much to

3502
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:43,920
or something

3503
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:47,120
it's different to so many and

3504
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:50,160
i have to say this when

3505
02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:51,040
uh

3506
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:54,000
this is i want to think exactly i guess

3507
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:55,680
this was last year a contact in the

3508
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:57,359
desert i've got

3509
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:00,640
literally paula in front of me 1500

3510
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:02,560
people right packed

3511
02:24:06,950 --> 02:24:04,000
1500 people

3512
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:06,960
and i say to them

3513
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:09,840
i don't need disclosure right and they

3514
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:11,760
started to boo

3515
02:24:17,590 --> 02:24:13,200
and

3516
02:24:21,110 --> 02:24:17,600
to say you know i've seen what i've seen

3517
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:21,120
and i'm okay with it but when i said

3518
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:22,000
what

3519
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:27,439
of disclosure is they need the president

3520
02:24:32,790 --> 02:24:29,280
of the united states to step up to a

3521
02:24:35,510 --> 02:24:32,800
podium and say we are not alone and the

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place erupted in cheers

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and that's what that's not going to

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change and you can say which

3525
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:42,560
i agree with i know right i agree with

3526
02:24:46,870 --> 02:24:43,920
you but

3527
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:46,880
we are in the vast minority here that's

3528
02:24:51,349 --> 02:24:49,600
not good enough no i know but you know

3529
02:24:53,110 --> 02:24:51,359
which president do you want to do that

3530
02:24:56,070 --> 02:24:53,120
you know i mean

3531
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:56,080
it's it's uh i know i know you know like

3532
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which one it's um

3533
02:25:01,349 --> 02:25:00,160
and by the way

3534
02:25:06,150 --> 02:25:01,359
it's

3535
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:06,160
disclosure your show is disclosure

3536
02:25:10,710 --> 02:25:08,240
i agree with that your show is

3537
02:25:14,790 --> 02:25:10,720
disclosure coast to coast is disclosure

3538
02:25:17,270 --> 02:25:14,800
any any show guy television with uh with

3539
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:17,280
emory's disclosure i mean

3540
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:18,880
we have disclosure it doesn't make a

3541
02:25:24,389 --> 02:25:21,439
difference it does not make a difference

3542
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:24,399
it's not about the uh

3543
02:25:29,190 --> 02:25:27,359
the ufos or the ets it's about us

3544
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:29,200
it's about our relationship to the

3545
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:30,479
cosmos

3546
02:25:34,870 --> 02:25:31,680
it's about

3547
02:25:37,750 --> 02:25:34,880
uh figuring out uh who we are why we're

3548
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:37,760
here and all this and it's a much deeper

3549
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:41,439
question and i believe that uh even if

3550
02:25:44,309 --> 02:25:42,560
if if

3551
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:44,319
something landed on the white house lawn

3552
02:25:49,270 --> 02:25:45,680
they'd say it was

3553
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:49,280
disney audio animatronics

3554
02:25:51,750 --> 02:25:50,880
they would they would not believe it

3555
02:25:54,790 --> 02:25:51,760
because

3556
02:25:57,750 --> 02:25:54,800
if you understand it and you study it

3557
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:57,760
you don't need that kind of uh

3558
02:26:02,230 --> 02:26:00,720
you know disclosure you know it's real i

3559
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:02,240
mean you just talk

3560
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:03,840
anybody that you talk to who's an

3561
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:06,640
insider knows it's real

3562
02:26:12,550 --> 02:26:09,920
safe travels i am going to see you in

3563
02:26:15,110 --> 02:26:12,560
less than four weeks out here in los

3564
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:15,120
angeles at the conscious life expo and

3565
02:26:18,469 --> 02:26:16,560
maybe i'll get lucky and have the

3566
02:26:21,750 --> 02:26:18,479
privilege of introducing you when you

3567
02:26:24,389 --> 02:26:21,760
speak all right so safe travels

3568
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:24,399
thank you thank you very much take care

3569
02:26:29,190 --> 02:26:26,399
thank you so much paula where before you

3570
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:29,200
uh jet off where can everybody contact

3571
02:26:34,429 --> 02:26:31,680
you and reach out to you

3572
02:26:38,469 --> 02:26:34,439
okay on two websites

3573
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:38,479
www.paula harris.com has my email

3574
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:40,800
and www

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star works

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usa

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has all of the information on the new um

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people i'm bringing over to the united

3579
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states from my conference in november

3580
02:26:55,990 --> 02:26:54,080
thank you so much and we'll see you one

3581
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:56,000
month at the conscious life expo thank

3582
02:27:01,429 --> 02:26:57,600
you so much paula

3583
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take care bye bye bye paula harris great

3584
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conversation

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star works usa

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dot com paola harris.com

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all right the links are up at jimmy

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twitter i'm going to take a short break

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i'm going to swing back around

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and open up these phone lines let's do

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that for the last segments i'll be right

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back after this short break stay with me

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3687
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thank paula harris uh for an amazing uh

3688
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conversation tonight 73 years old

3689
02:32:38,150 --> 02:32:36,479
oh i did that that

3690
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sometimes you just have to back up and

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go wow well i just did all right so the

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phone lines are open uh let's go to

3693
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uh up first area code 904 who's calling

3694
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hey how you doing jimmy my name is ammar

3695
02:32:58,870 --> 02:32:53,840
and i am from syria

3696
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:58,880
i lived here in florida since 2008. okay

3697
02:33:03,349 --> 02:33:01,600
thank you for having my call

3698
02:33:05,830 --> 02:33:03,359
the reason why i'm calling is because i

3699
02:33:07,510 --> 02:33:05,840
had a huge synchronicity when i was

3700
02:33:10,469 --> 02:33:07,520
listening to you talked to the rabbi

3701
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:10,479
last time oh what happened

3702
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:12,800
um i'll get to that in a bit but i've

3703
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:14,640
always been into the consciousness thing

3704
02:33:18,309 --> 02:33:16,319
with stephen greer

3705
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:18,319
and

3706
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:20,800
you know i've done the meditation

3707
02:33:26,150 --> 02:33:23,600
a lot of times nothing ever happened to

3708
02:33:28,150 --> 02:33:26,160
me but then when i went to when i

3709
02:33:31,349 --> 02:33:28,160
started going to sleep i would get these

3710
02:33:33,429 --> 02:33:31,359
huge vibrations in my body and i didn't

3711
02:33:35,510 --> 02:33:33,439
know what they were so i had to google

3712
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:35,520
it and things like that

3713
02:33:39,830 --> 02:33:37,200
but then um

3714
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:39,840
you know i reached after a projection of

3715
02:33:43,349 --> 02:33:41,920
stuff but then i came to the constant

3716
02:33:47,750 --> 02:33:43,359
consciousness part which is why i'm

3717
02:33:51,910 --> 02:33:50,389
you know um

3718
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:51,920
when i uh

3719
02:33:57,110 --> 02:33:54,960
when when when you uh sorry i'm a little

3720
02:34:00,950 --> 02:33:57,120
bit nervous it's okay man it's okay it's

3721
02:34:05,990 --> 02:34:03,190
so um

3722
02:34:08,230 --> 02:34:06,000
when i go to bed if i'm really sleepy

3723
02:34:11,590 --> 02:34:08,240
and my eyes are heavy

3724
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:11,600
all i do is i lay on my back and count

3725
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:14,319
my breath and close my eyes

3726
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:16,880
and literally the vibrations would come

3727
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:19,760
to me and i would see this huge tunnel a

3728
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:22,000
tunnel of colors every time i do this i

3729
02:34:24,630 --> 02:34:23,439
experienced this

3730
02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:24,640
um

3731
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:26,720
and then i would end up okay go ahead

3732
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:28,080
that was my next question so what

3733
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:29,520
happens okay so

3734
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:31,760
you end up

3735
02:34:36,389 --> 02:34:34,479
i would end up in this tunnel and then

3736
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:36,399
right before it ends more vibrations

3737
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:38,399
come and i feel the wind coming through

3738
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:39,840
my face

3739
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,080
and

3740
02:34:46,309 --> 02:34:44,399
then i would end up in my room

3741
02:34:49,110 --> 02:34:46,319
but

3742
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:49,120
i can see my exact room just a bit

3743
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:51,920
darker and i can move in it and i can go

3744
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:55,120
through walls and weird stuff like that

3745
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:55,840
but

3746
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:57,359
this really resonated with the

3747
02:35:00,790 --> 02:34:59,120
consciousness but a lot of people talk

3748
02:35:03,349 --> 02:35:00,800
about this

3749
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:03,359
can you do it uh like

3750
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:04,960
you know like tonight right after the

3751
02:35:10,469 --> 02:35:07,520
show when you go to bed can can you can

3752
02:35:13,349 --> 02:35:10,479
you do it when you want to

3753
02:35:15,990 --> 02:35:13,359
yeah absolutely as as long as i am like

3754
02:35:18,550 --> 02:35:16,000
in this really sleepy state which brings

3755
02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:18,560
me back to david ike you know how he

3756
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:21,439
says you have to block the

3757
02:35:28,389 --> 02:35:24,080
your sensory organs from

3758
02:35:31,190 --> 02:35:28,399
giving you input from this reality yep

3759
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:31,200
so i'm i'm thinking that's how it works

3760
02:35:35,270 --> 02:35:33,359
i mean i would love for you to try it

3761
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:35,280
honestly

3762
02:35:40,550 --> 02:35:37,359
and see if you experience anything like

3763
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:40,560
that well you know what i do and then i

3764
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:44,399
want to move on to uh uh the rabbi uh

3765
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:45,120
but

3766
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:47,680
this is what i do

3767
02:35:51,270 --> 02:35:49,680
this is a strange this is you know

3768
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:51,280
you've developed your way of doing it

3769
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:52,720
this is what i do

3770
02:35:56,309 --> 02:35:53,680
is

3771
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:56,319
when i am ready

3772
02:36:02,230 --> 02:35:57,359
i

3773
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:02,240
a

3774
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:25,439
the window

3775
02:36:32,469 --> 02:36:29,120
out

3776
02:36:36,230 --> 02:36:32,479
deep deep deep crazy sleep

3777
02:36:37,270 --> 02:36:36,240
strong you know thing but if i struggle

3778
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:37,280
with it

3779
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:39,600
right if i can't crawl through the

3780
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:42,560
window i i don't go into the zone

3781
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:45,040
and so i concentrate and then when i

3782
02:36:48,469 --> 02:36:46,399
crawl through the now this is my own

3783
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:48,479
thing nobody's taught me this this is

3784
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:50,640
something that i've developed over many

3785
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:54,000
many many many years but that's what i

3786
02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:54,800
do

3787
02:36:59,429 --> 02:36:57,359
and i've often been afraid like if i did

3788
02:37:01,429 --> 02:36:59,439
this in public right i'm up on stage and

3789
02:37:03,910 --> 02:37:01,439
i've got people in front of me

3790
02:37:05,670 --> 02:37:03,920
and i go okay so i close my eyes and

3791
02:37:07,190 --> 02:37:05,680
everybody close their eyes and i picture

3792
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:07,200
a black window

3793
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:08,720
and then i go and crawl through and i'll

3794
02:37:15,190 --> 02:37:11,680
look out and then i've got 250 people

3795
02:37:18,230 --> 02:37:16,870
so i but

3796
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:18,240
and i don't want to do it on the air

3797
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:21,120
either i just did but so just imagine if

3798
02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:24,560
people do this so do it in bed right and

3799
02:37:28,870 --> 02:37:26,800
but that's that's that's what i do i'll

3800
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,880
take the feedback from everybody if they

3801
02:37:32,150 --> 02:37:30,240
want to go and try it but that's what i

3802
02:37:34,469 --> 02:37:32,160
do

3803
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:34,479
yeah it's it's really

3804
02:37:39,030 --> 02:37:36,640
like i'm always wondering how come

3805
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:39,040
scientists are exploring that because

3806
02:37:43,190 --> 02:37:41,280
when i do it it's definitely not a dream

3807
02:37:45,190 --> 02:37:43,200
like when when i go through the tunnel

3808
02:37:47,349 --> 02:37:45,200
and the vibrations i don't feel like i

3809
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:47,359
went to sleep i have total consciousness

3810
02:37:51,349 --> 02:37:49,359
right right right that's fascinating and

3811
02:37:53,670 --> 02:37:51,359
i remember everything that is

3812
02:37:56,309 --> 02:37:53,680
fascinating that is fascinating

3813
02:37:58,309 --> 02:37:56,319
um i will uh i'll i'll

3814
02:37:59,750 --> 02:37:58,319
i will try it i'll see what i can do

3815
02:38:00,870 --> 02:37:59,760
i'll see what i can do i would like to

3816
02:38:02,950 --> 02:38:00,880
check that out

3817
02:38:04,630 --> 02:38:02,960
um okay let me know i watch all your

3818
02:38:06,630 --> 02:38:04,640
episodes

3819
02:38:08,309 --> 02:38:06,640
thank you so much when did you get i

3820
02:38:11,590 --> 02:38:08,319
want to get to the rabbi in a second

3821
02:38:14,389 --> 02:38:11,600
when did you get here from syria

3822
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:14,399
uh 2008 i came here as a student and

3823
02:38:17,190 --> 02:38:15,200
then

3824
02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:17,200
all the war happened and stuff so i was

3825
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:19,520
allowed to stay and get a job you know

3826
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:21,280
and and united states treating you

3827
02:38:25,110 --> 02:38:23,040
pretty well

3828
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:25,120
yeah absolutely i love this place and

3829
02:38:29,110 --> 02:38:26,160
you know

3830
02:38:31,510 --> 02:38:29,120
i've always loved everyone and i always

3831
02:38:33,429 --> 02:38:31,520
wondered why do human beings fight

3832
02:38:35,910 --> 02:38:33,439
within each other maybe that's part of

3833
02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:35,920
it too yeah yeah i agree with you and

3834
02:38:38,550 --> 02:38:37,520
it's really unfortunate what has

3835
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:38,560
happened

3836
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:42,080
uh not only uh to syria but uh you know

3837
02:38:45,750 --> 02:38:45,040
when you think about uh you know iraq

3838
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:45,760
and

3839
02:38:55,270 --> 02:38:53,439
going on with you know the the border

3840
02:38:57,910 --> 02:38:55,280
skirmishes right now with israel i mean

3841
02:39:01,349 --> 02:38:57,920
it's a concept if i was a child

3842
02:39:03,910 --> 02:39:01,359
uh over in syria just living every day

3843
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:03,920
out with with that kind of stuff

3844
02:39:09,670 --> 02:39:06,720
happening it just freaks me out just so

3845
02:39:11,830 --> 02:39:09,680
i just feel so bad but okay let's uh

3846
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:11,840
let's get over to the rabbi uh what

3847
02:39:17,429 --> 02:39:14,560
would you resonate with

3848
02:39:19,510 --> 02:39:17,439
okay so remember it's that episode but

3849
02:39:21,590 --> 02:39:19,520
it's not exactly the rabbi but remember

3850
02:39:23,349 --> 02:39:21,600
like the first caller who in the end

3851
02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:23,359
talked to you about the tablet and the

3852
02:39:27,750 --> 02:39:26,240
holographic text and how like they would

3853
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:27,760
be read from both sides because they

3854
02:39:34,630 --> 02:39:30,720
were rotating that's right

3855
02:39:37,590 --> 02:39:34,640
well um i had an experience

3856
02:39:39,270 --> 02:39:37,600
where i just woke up fully awake in my

3857
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:39,280
bed and

3858
02:39:44,870 --> 02:39:41,840
i closed my eyes back and i was still

3859
02:39:47,349 --> 02:39:44,880
awake but i could see this tablet and it

3860
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:47,359
was really dark blue and the outline of

3861
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:48,720
it was white

3862
02:39:55,750 --> 02:39:52,640
and inside the tablet was a

3863
02:39:57,830 --> 02:39:55,760
um what do you call them hieroglyphs

3864
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:57,840
that i couldn't understand whatsoever

3865
02:40:02,710 --> 02:40:00,399
but they were white and they were

3866
02:40:05,270 --> 02:40:02,720
they were rotating but it's not like a

3867
02:40:07,030 --> 02:40:05,280
full rotation it's not a smooth thing it

3868
02:40:08,790 --> 02:40:07,040
was just like a blink to this side and

3869
02:40:11,750 --> 02:40:08,800
then a blink to the other side all at

3870
02:40:14,070 --> 02:40:11,760
once and i didn't know what that was

3871
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:14,080
do you write this down

3872
02:40:19,190 --> 02:40:16,000
you know it sounds like you vividly

3873
02:40:21,990 --> 02:40:19,200
remember all of it do you write it down

3874
02:40:23,510 --> 02:40:22,000
no um the reason is i remembered what

3875
02:40:26,070 --> 02:40:23,520
happened but i don't remember the

3876
02:40:30,550 --> 02:40:26,080
helicops themselves because i didn't

3877
02:40:35,110 --> 02:40:32,550
when he spoke about that and how the

3878
02:40:38,230 --> 02:40:35,120
tablet was actually a holographic and

3879
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:38,240
the texts were moving i had the biggest

3880
02:40:44,309 --> 02:40:41,200
rush of my life like my to you started

3881
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:44,319
coming out and i felt this huge like

3882
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:46,640
vibrations my body was my hair was

3883
02:40:51,030 --> 02:40:49,120
standing up i'm like no way i pictured

3884
02:40:53,910 --> 02:40:51,040
it too in my mind's eye when he

3885
02:40:55,110 --> 02:40:53,920
described it and with it with the text

3886
02:40:57,990 --> 02:40:55,120
rotating

3887
02:41:00,469 --> 02:40:58,000
and i did the same thing for you this is

3888
02:41:01,990 --> 02:41:00,479
what uh if i can ask you to do this and

3889
02:41:03,750 --> 02:41:02,000
then i've got to get to some other calls

3890
02:41:05,110 --> 02:41:03,760
tomorrow thank you for uh

3891
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:05,120
calling tonight but

3892
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:07,359
the next time that it happens you may

3893
02:41:10,230 --> 02:41:09,120
not understand what the hieroglyphics

3894
02:41:11,510 --> 02:41:10,240
are

3895
02:41:13,510 --> 02:41:11,520
but

3896
02:41:18,550 --> 02:41:13,520
draw them

3897
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:18,560
doesn't have to of course you know it's

3898
02:41:23,830 --> 02:41:20,479
not going to make sense to you

3899
02:41:25,270 --> 02:41:23,840
but capture it in your mind and and get

3900
02:41:26,630 --> 02:41:25,280
it written down

3901
02:41:29,349 --> 02:41:26,640
we would all

3902
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:29,359
hope to see it okay

3903
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:31,040
yeah okay thank you for having me thank

3904
02:41:36,150 --> 02:41:32,880
you so much yeah thank you amar first

3905
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:36,160
time caller and don't be a stranger man

3906
02:41:39,429 --> 02:41:38,479
i will okay call me call me back after

3907
02:41:41,270 --> 02:41:39,439
you uh

3908
02:41:43,990 --> 02:41:41,280
i want to see these hieroglyphs and so

3909
02:41:46,230 --> 02:41:44,000
does everybody else you know this so uh

3910
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:46,240
i will and if what i said worked for you

3911
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:48,479
let me know in the episodes i'll be so

3912
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:51,120
happy i i will let you know over the air

3913
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:53,760
amar thank you so much

3914
02:41:58,389 --> 02:41:55,920
thank you have a great night that's a

3915
02:42:00,550 --> 02:41:58,399
great phone call right there and

3916
02:42:02,710 --> 02:42:00,560
the thing is

3917
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:02,720
uh when uh

3918
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:05,439
when the rabbi was describing that on

3919
02:42:09,190 --> 02:42:06,560
the air

3920
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:09,200
i did what i i'm sure all of us were

3921
02:42:14,230 --> 02:42:10,960
doing at the same time

3922
02:42:17,830 --> 02:42:14,240
i was picturing the text rotating and i

3923
02:42:19,349 --> 02:42:17,840
locked on to that that was a very vivid

3924
02:42:22,070 --> 02:42:19,359
uh picture

3925
02:42:23,990 --> 02:42:22,080
in my mind absolutely incredible i want

3926
02:42:25,750 --> 02:42:24,000
to go back okay phone lines are open by

3927
02:42:27,590 --> 02:42:25,760
the way uh three two three eight two

3928
02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:27,600
five five zero four five three two three

3929
02:42:32,710 --> 02:42:29,680
two seven five nine six nine five

3930
02:42:35,750 --> 02:42:32,720
or eight one eight nine two one

3931
02:42:37,190 --> 02:42:35,760
six nine two nine i want to get get back

3932
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:37,200
because i'm looking at these comments

3933
02:42:42,630 --> 02:42:40,640
here on twitter and i got an email

3934
02:42:46,389 --> 02:42:42,640
that came in about

3935
02:42:47,990 --> 02:42:46,399
uh my comments about uh not needing

3936
02:42:48,950 --> 02:42:48,000
disclosure

3937
02:42:50,389 --> 02:42:48,960
um

3938
02:42:56,230 --> 02:42:50,399
i kind of want

3939
02:42:58,469 --> 02:42:56,240
everybody to lock on to something the

3940
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:58,479
the excitement that i had last year

3941
02:43:02,870 --> 02:43:00,800
december 16th december 17th whatever

3942
02:43:05,590 --> 02:43:02,880
that day was that saturday

3943
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:05,600
uh with the announcement going out over

3944
02:43:10,550 --> 02:43:08,720
mainstream media when that happened

3945
02:43:12,630 --> 02:43:10,560
i uh

3946
02:43:14,950 --> 02:43:12,640
i was elated and the first thing i

3947
02:43:17,270 --> 02:43:14,960
thought about was the community

3948
02:43:20,070 --> 02:43:17,280
and how happy everybody was going to be

3949
02:43:22,150 --> 02:43:20,080
and how happy i was and if you remember

3950
02:43:24,070 --> 02:43:22,160
i drove straight to the bunker i fired

3951
02:43:27,190 --> 02:43:24,080
up the systems and i said hey we're

3952
02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:27,200
going live tonight right this is too big

3953
02:43:32,309 --> 02:43:28,720
of a deal

3954
02:43:34,230 --> 02:43:32,319
so it's not like i don't want to dismiss

3955
02:43:36,790 --> 02:43:34,240
saying you know i you know i don't need

3956
02:43:37,830 --> 02:43:36,800
no i felt the same energy that everybody

3957
02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:37,840
else had

3958
02:43:42,710 --> 02:43:40,800
last december but um

3959
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:42,720
to that end

3960
02:43:48,150 --> 02:43:45,520
when i think about the

3961
02:43:49,349 --> 02:43:48,160
the strange events that i've personally

3962
02:43:51,190 --> 02:43:49,359
witnessed

3963
02:43:53,190 --> 02:43:51,200
personally i'm not talking about all the

3964
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:53,200
testimony all the guests on the show all

3965
02:43:59,269 --> 02:43:55,600
the video that's not what i'm referring

3966
02:44:00,550 --> 02:43:59,279
to talking about my own personal self

3967
02:44:02,830 --> 02:44:00,560
that

3968
02:44:05,429 --> 02:44:02,840
i don't need

3969
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:05,439
disclosure and if you've had the same ex

3970
02:44:08,950 --> 02:44:06,960
i'm talking about you yourself

3971
02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:08,960
personally not what you've heard on this

3972
02:44:14,630 --> 02:44:11,600
show or or have seen out there or heard

3973
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:14,640
from others but with your own personal

3974
02:44:18,870 --> 02:44:17,040
experience

3975
02:44:21,910 --> 02:44:18,880
what do you need disclosure for all

3976
02:44:23,190 --> 02:44:21,920
disclosure is there for

3977
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:23,200
is to

3978
02:44:28,230 --> 02:44:26,240
close the door on the subject

3979
02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:28,240
so we can all move forward

3980
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:30,720
and so we could you know

3981
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:33,359
thumb our noses at uh everybody around

3982
02:44:37,830 --> 02:44:35,359
us that that laughed

3983
02:44:39,510 --> 02:44:37,840
uh for so many years okay so i get that

3984
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:39,520
you get a certain amount of satisfaction

3985
02:44:44,230 --> 02:44:42,720
out of it but i agree with paula i am

3986
02:44:46,710 --> 02:44:44,240
fully on

3987
02:44:47,750 --> 02:44:46,720
her side of the fence with this i don't

3988
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:47,760
need it

3989
02:44:51,429 --> 02:44:49,840
you know but the reaction that i got and

3990
02:44:53,190 --> 02:44:51,439
if you were at contact in the desert

3991
02:44:55,269 --> 02:44:53,200
last year when i was uh talking to the

3992
02:44:57,269 --> 02:44:55,279
crowd about this you guys know exactly

3993
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:57,279
what i'm saying it got a little bit

3994
02:45:01,030 --> 02:44:59,040
tense there in that room

3995
02:45:02,630 --> 02:45:01,040
it was like jimmy what are you saying

3996
02:45:04,150 --> 02:45:02,640
right now

3997
02:45:07,590 --> 02:45:04,160
so i get it

3998
02:45:11,510 --> 02:45:07,600
i totally get it let's go to the phones

3999
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:11,520
uh area code 540. you're up next

4000
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:14,399
hi jim this is joe from virginia

4001
02:45:20,389 --> 02:45:18,319
hi joe from virginia how are you man

4002
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:20,399
i'm doing good thank you

4003
02:45:24,070 --> 02:45:22,560
how are you i'm doing great man what's

4004
02:45:26,389 --> 02:45:24,080
on your mind

4005
02:45:28,309 --> 02:45:26,399
well uh i love

4006
02:45:29,990 --> 02:45:28,319
your last three shows they were

4007
02:45:31,349 --> 02:45:30,000
fantastic

4008
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:31,359
uh

4009
02:45:36,550 --> 02:45:33,760
and the rabbi he was just

4010
02:45:38,870 --> 02:45:36,560
out of this world

4011
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:38,880
and uh well

4012
02:45:44,230 --> 02:45:41,520
what i want to know is

4013
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:44,240
you know i i had a question

4014
02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:49,750
has been bothering me for a long time

4015
02:45:54,630 --> 02:45:52,560
if all these other countries

4016
02:45:57,590 --> 02:45:54,640
can come out and

4017
02:46:00,309 --> 02:45:57,600
say that

4018
02:46:02,950 --> 02:46:00,319
these things are real and that they are

4019
02:46:03,910 --> 02:46:02,960
happening

4020
02:46:05,349 --> 02:46:03,920
and

4021
02:46:07,750 --> 02:46:05,359
that

4022
02:46:10,950 --> 02:46:07,760
these beings

4023
02:46:13,910 --> 02:46:10,960
are real

4024
02:46:16,469 --> 02:46:13,920
why can't this country

4025
02:46:17,670 --> 02:46:16,479
do that

4026
02:46:18,870 --> 02:46:17,680
because

4027
02:46:20,070 --> 02:46:18,880
you know

4028
02:46:23,030 --> 02:46:20,080
uh

4029
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:23,040
the lady you had on tonight

4030
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:25,840
she said you know the generals from uh

4031
02:46:30,550 --> 02:46:27,200
like brazil

4032
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:30,560
you know paraguay uruguay yeah paraguay

4033
02:46:36,230 --> 02:46:31,439
yeah

4034
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:38,389
were on and

4035
02:46:44,309 --> 02:46:41,760
you know they raised their hands but uh

4036
02:46:48,230 --> 02:46:44,319
all the americans seem to be

4037
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:52,710
i have um i have a basic answer for that

4038
02:46:58,630 --> 02:46:55,040
joe which is

4039
02:47:01,429 --> 02:46:58,640
um an unfortunate one but i think that

4040
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:01,439
we can all agree

4041
02:47:06,550 --> 02:47:03,040
that

4042
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:06,560
the problem is is money and the problem

4043
02:47:08,389 --> 02:47:07,520
is

4044
02:47:10,630 --> 02:47:08,399
uh

4045
02:47:14,230 --> 02:47:10,640
the oil industry

4046
02:47:15,990 --> 02:47:14,240
and the gas industry the coal industry

4047
02:47:18,790 --> 02:47:16,000
nuclear power

4048
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:18,800
and and those industries i think that

4049
02:47:21,030 --> 02:47:20,240
and i want to thank you for the phone

4050
02:47:23,510 --> 02:47:21,040
call

4051
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:23,520
i think that when we are dealing with

4052
02:47:27,110 --> 02:47:24,880
all of this

4053
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:27,120
that um

4054
02:47:33,670 --> 02:47:32,160
if there is a source of energy out there

4055
02:47:34,469 --> 02:47:33,680
that

4056
02:47:40,469 --> 02:47:34,479
is

4057
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:40,479
power source uh an energy source but

4058
02:47:45,269 --> 02:47:42,880
some type of anti-gravity and maybe some

4059
02:47:47,030 --> 02:47:45,279
invisibility is going on and this kind

4060
02:47:49,670 --> 02:47:47,040
of technology is out there and also the

4061
02:47:51,190 --> 02:47:49,680
interdimensional aspect of it what would

4062
02:47:53,990 --> 02:47:51,200
that do

4063
02:47:55,110 --> 02:47:54,000
to the world economy right where

4064
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:55,120
suddenly

4065
02:47:59,670 --> 02:47:57,120
you could i've got a hair everybody's

4066
02:48:02,070 --> 02:47:59,680
watching me i've got a hair on my face

4067
02:48:04,230 --> 02:48:02,080
um is

4068
02:48:07,670 --> 02:48:04,240
if you didn't have to pay

4069
02:48:10,389 --> 02:48:07,680
to travel around the world if you didn't

4070
02:48:12,230 --> 02:48:10,399
have to put gas in your car if you

4071
02:48:13,990 --> 02:48:12,240
didn't have to do any of that and the

4072
02:48:15,269 --> 02:48:14,000
power in your house

4073
02:48:17,990 --> 02:48:15,279
suddenly

4074
02:48:20,710 --> 02:48:18,000
these ginormous not only corporations

4075
02:48:22,550 --> 02:48:20,720
but the banks that drive them

4076
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:22,560
they become

4077
02:48:26,230 --> 02:48:24,479
inconsequential

4078
02:48:28,950 --> 02:48:26,240
there's no need for them

4079
02:48:30,870 --> 02:48:28,960
and that is what is controlling this

4080
02:48:33,510 --> 02:48:30,880
planet that's the true control of

4081
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:33,520
everything so that's that's where the

4082
02:48:39,670 --> 02:48:35,920
problem is in the united states

4083
02:48:42,389 --> 02:48:39,680
uh like china russia is not quite as big

4084
02:48:44,309 --> 02:48:42,399
uh money wise but great britain is

4085
02:48:46,230 --> 02:48:44,319
certainly right there france has got a

4086
02:48:49,030 --> 02:48:46,240
pretty strong economy

4087
02:48:51,910 --> 02:48:49,040
and and europe that if you take all of

4088
02:48:54,870 --> 02:48:51,920
that away that money disappears

4089
02:48:56,630 --> 02:48:54,880
and those people control every every

4090
02:48:59,110 --> 02:48:56,640
aspect of our lives

4091
02:49:01,910 --> 02:48:59,120
so it's not in their best interest you

4092
02:49:03,590 --> 02:49:01,920
know the the possibility of them

4093
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:03,600
changing their mind

4094
02:49:08,309 --> 02:49:06,000
when we run out of oil

4095
02:49:10,469 --> 02:49:08,319
when the oil is not there to profit

4096
02:49:13,510 --> 02:49:10,479
if they can figure out a way to

4097
02:49:16,230 --> 02:49:13,520
to make money off of ufo technology off

4098
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:16,240
of alien technology then

4099
02:49:20,230 --> 02:49:18,240
uh it'll be a different story and if you

4100
02:49:21,990 --> 02:49:20,240
think about it in those terms i think

4101
02:49:23,110 --> 02:49:22,000
that answers all of our questions and

4102
02:49:24,710 --> 02:49:23,120
you know what

4103
02:49:26,389 --> 02:49:24,720
it's not that i'm comfortable with it

4104
02:49:30,150 --> 02:49:26,399
but it certainly makes a lot of sense to

4105
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:30,160
me let's go to area code 951

4106
02:49:33,429 --> 02:49:31,920
you are up next i'm faded black who's

4107
02:49:36,389 --> 02:49:33,439
calling

4108
02:49:39,190 --> 02:49:36,399
hey jimmy church uh this is fred grace

4109
02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:39,200
hi fred grace how are you

4110
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:42,000
i am doing great man and you're right on

4111
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:44,000
it there is

4112
02:49:47,830 --> 02:49:46,560
technology out there uh

4113
02:49:49,110 --> 02:49:47,840
that you can

4114
02:49:50,950 --> 02:49:49,120
create

4115
02:49:53,190 --> 02:49:50,960
like uh

4116
02:49:55,030 --> 02:49:53,200
the vortex knowledge is what i'm into

4117
02:49:59,030 --> 02:49:55,040
and it has to do with uh plasma

4118
02:50:01,429 --> 02:49:59,040
generator right invented by paul pentone

4119
02:50:02,790 --> 02:50:01,439
and at least he was just transmutating

4120
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:02,800
the elements

4121
02:50:06,870 --> 02:50:05,200
and he's getting a lot of electricity or

4122
02:50:09,910 --> 02:50:06,880
some energy

4123
02:50:12,070 --> 02:50:09,920
and this comes from the brain and then

4124
02:50:14,230 --> 02:50:12,080
after he started teaching class and he

4125
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:14,240
was a big sensation there for a while

4126
02:50:17,510 --> 02:50:15,600
they figured out you know put some

4127
02:50:20,830 --> 02:50:17,520
mercury in the fuel

4128
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:20,840
and then bam they have huge amount of

4129
02:50:24,269 --> 02:50:23,200
electricity the nature of this type of

4130
02:50:27,429 --> 02:50:24,279
electricity

4131
02:50:30,230 --> 02:50:27,439
360 degree sphere okay you need to speak

4132
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:30,240
up or i'm losing oh that's kind of like

4133
02:50:33,870 --> 02:50:32,240
what the tr3b

4134
02:50:36,230 --> 02:50:33,880
pops that

4135
02:50:38,790 --> 02:50:36,240
360 degree sphere it's an

4136
02:50:41,269 --> 02:50:38,800
electromagnetic field right in the

4137
02:50:43,670 --> 02:50:41,279
infrared or the ultraviolet

4138
02:50:46,309 --> 02:50:43,680
now it's infrared on that one but anyway

4139
02:50:47,830 --> 02:50:46,319
so we have this our caller earlier was

4140
02:50:50,550 --> 02:50:47,840
saying you know

4141
02:50:53,990 --> 02:50:50,560
we can't do it but we can we have it we

4142
02:50:56,469 --> 02:50:54,000
got the tr3b we got the sky dreadnoughts

4143
02:50:57,510 --> 02:50:56,479
now the sky dreadnoughts are huge these

4144
02:50:59,910 --> 02:50:57,520
are the

4145
02:51:01,750 --> 02:50:59,920
this is a lockheed martin in corporation

4146
02:51:04,309 --> 02:51:01,760
with everything else in the military

4147
02:51:07,990 --> 02:51:04,319
industrial complex they travel in

4148
02:51:11,510 --> 02:51:08,000
hyperspeed man these things are fast

4149
02:51:14,070 --> 02:51:11,520
no inertia because it creates its own

4150
02:51:17,429 --> 02:51:14,080
field its own bubble of

4151
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:17,439
basically time energy it's just like

4152
02:51:20,790 --> 02:51:18,399
gravity

4153
02:51:22,870 --> 02:51:20,800
so that's where we're getting to live

4154
02:51:25,349 --> 02:51:22,880
and you know i want to do this i want to

4155
02:51:28,950 --> 02:51:25,359
build a spaceship i'm on youtube

4156
02:51:30,389 --> 02:51:28,960
demonetize me now i'm on steemit and i

4157
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:30,399
just keep trying

4158
02:51:34,790 --> 02:51:32,000
and that's all we're going to have to do

4159
02:51:36,309 --> 02:51:34,800
one day one citizen is going to have to

4160
02:51:38,150 --> 02:51:36,319
take this

4161
02:51:39,990 --> 02:51:38,160
and just eliminate

4162
02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:40,000
elon musk and all

4163
02:51:43,750 --> 02:51:41,520
we're just going to have to take over

4164
02:51:47,349 --> 02:51:43,760
everything you know with this plasma

4165
02:51:50,070 --> 02:51:47,359
generator and the ufo yeah so anyway i'm

4166
02:51:52,469 --> 02:51:50,080
kind of excited okay fred thank you for

4167
02:51:54,070 --> 02:51:52,479
the phone call and i totally i totally

4168
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:54,080
agree with you fred

4169
02:51:56,790 --> 02:51:55,200
and

4170
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:56,800
man it's good thank you for the phone

4171
02:52:01,830 --> 02:51:59,040
call it's got it's gonna take

4172
02:52:03,590 --> 02:52:01,840
uh like fred says it's going to take

4173
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:03,600
somebody brave

4174
02:52:06,469 --> 02:52:05,200
to uh step up

4175
02:52:09,590 --> 02:52:06,479
you know and

4176
02:52:12,230 --> 02:52:09,600
it's been done many many times and we

4177
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:12,240
never seem to hear from them again

4178
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,000
and i don't want to get uh i don't want

4179
02:52:18,389 --> 02:52:16,000
to get dark i don't want to do any of

4180
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:18,399
that i don't want to freak people out

4181
02:52:21,910 --> 02:52:20,800
um but it just seems that there is

4182
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:21,920
enough

4183
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:26,160
with anybody that has come up with

4184
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:27,600
something where

4185
02:52:33,750 --> 02:52:31,040
uh more energy is put out than is put in

4186
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:33,760
which goes all the way to cars that were

4187
02:52:39,030 --> 02:52:36,640
running on water or a carburetor that

4188
02:52:40,230 --> 02:52:39,040
would get you you know 500 miles per

4189
02:52:42,230 --> 02:52:40,240
gallon

4190
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:42,240
these people we never heard from again

4191
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:43,840
you know whether they were bought out or

4192
02:52:47,990 --> 02:52:45,840
silenced or whatever that there's a

4193
02:52:49,990 --> 02:52:48,000
reason behind all of that let's go to

4194
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:50,000
area code man i've got uh i've got three

4195
02:52:54,950 --> 02:52:52,960
minutes left let's go to eric 813 that's

4196
02:52:56,950 --> 02:52:54,960
right how are you

4197
02:52:58,630 --> 02:52:56,960
here we go jimmy how you doing it's rudy

4198
02:53:01,269 --> 02:52:58,640
from tampa man how are you i'm doing

4199
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:01,279
good rudy from tampa how are you

4200
02:53:04,790 --> 02:53:03,120
hey it's always good to hear you man you

4201
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:04,800
always bring the truth and you always

4202
02:53:09,750 --> 02:53:06,880
bring love and light

4203
02:53:11,750 --> 02:53:09,760
um i want to tell you jimmy um

4204
02:53:13,990 --> 02:53:11,760
i don't even know where to start where

4205
02:53:15,830 --> 02:53:14,000
do we start jimmy well you tell me we've

4206
02:53:17,670 --> 02:53:15,840
got about two and a half minutes left

4207
02:53:19,510 --> 02:53:17,680
before the end of the show two and a

4208
02:53:22,070 --> 02:53:19,520
half minutes well jimmy i want to tell

4209
02:53:24,950 --> 02:53:22,080
you that you're a very special person

4210
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:24,960
you are on your mission we don't need

4211
02:53:28,469 --> 02:53:26,399
disclosure

4212
02:53:30,309 --> 02:53:28,479
those who know know

4213
02:53:33,190 --> 02:53:30,319
and there is no going around it all

4214
02:53:35,030 --> 02:53:33,200
right and those who serve the creator

4215
02:53:35,990 --> 02:53:35,040
it doesn't matter what the other side

4216
02:53:38,309 --> 02:53:36,000
brings

4217
02:53:39,750 --> 02:53:38,319
we're here to stay we're the a-team

4218
02:53:41,750 --> 02:53:39,760
that's what i'm talking about thank you

4219
02:53:43,269 --> 02:53:41,760
rudy hey behave and be well out there in

4220
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:43,279
tampa man

4221
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:45,359
hey that's right take care of me yeah

4222
02:53:50,469 --> 02:53:46,960
thank you so much and that's that's a

4223
02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:50,479
great phone call i you know

4224
02:53:55,870 --> 02:53:52,880
just maybe this might resonate through

4225
02:53:57,590 --> 02:53:55,880
with everybody do we really need

4226
02:54:00,469 --> 02:53:57,600
disclosure

4227
02:54:03,670 --> 02:54:00,479
right the big d it'll be fun it'll be

4228
02:54:05,110 --> 02:54:03,680
fun but do we really need it

4229
02:54:08,469 --> 02:54:05,120
let's go to

4230
02:54:12,070 --> 02:54:08,479
area code let me see what i've got going

4231
02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:12,080
on here let's go to area code 360.

4232
02:54:15,190 --> 02:54:13,520
you're up next on fade to black who's

4233
02:54:18,070 --> 02:54:15,200
calling

4234
02:54:20,070 --> 02:54:18,080
hey it's not jimmy hi tonette great to

4235
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:20,080
hear your voice

4236
02:54:22,630 --> 02:54:21,760
hi thank you

4237
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:22,640
so

4238
02:54:27,510 --> 02:54:25,439
i just want to point out that

4239
02:54:30,710 --> 02:54:27,520
some of us that are still following the

4240
02:54:32,830 --> 02:54:30,720
human on um

4241
02:54:35,429 --> 02:54:32,840
they call it a movement but

4242
02:54:40,070 --> 02:54:35,439
whatever um

4243
02:54:45,510 --> 02:54:42,150
um i'm trying to remember the words but

4244
02:54:50,230 --> 02:54:48,309
programs that are not disclosed to the

4245
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:50,240
public

4246
02:54:55,190 --> 02:54:53,520
okay special access programs

4247
02:54:58,150 --> 02:54:55,200
right okay

4248
02:55:02,630 --> 02:55:00,070
we think um

4249
02:55:03,750 --> 02:55:02,640
well a lot of people think that

4250
02:55:05,190 --> 02:55:03,760
the

4251
02:55:07,990 --> 02:55:05,200
q anon

4252
02:55:09,429 --> 02:55:08,000
is the alliance

4253
02:55:12,309 --> 02:55:09,439
and

4254
02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:12,319
they are in

4255
02:55:17,510 --> 02:55:15,520
cahoots with the president mm-hmm

4256
02:55:21,349 --> 02:55:17,520
so

4257
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:21,359
i say again would that not be

4258
02:55:28,309 --> 02:55:24,720
the disclosure president

4259
02:55:34,469 --> 02:55:30,950
i think it may be but it's

4260
02:55:35,750 --> 02:55:34,479
it's also the slow roll out

4261
02:55:39,510 --> 02:55:35,760
um

4262
02:55:42,389 --> 02:55:39,520
the slow disclosure that

4263
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:42,399
um david wilcock keeps talking about

4264
02:55:46,710 --> 02:55:43,760
mm-hmm

4265
02:55:48,790 --> 02:55:46,720
and that it's not the full disclosure

4266
02:55:51,429 --> 02:55:48,800
they're just trying to dribble us to

4267
02:55:55,110 --> 02:55:53,269
dribble us to death

4268
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:55,120
what would you say

4269
02:56:00,469 --> 02:55:58,000
tonight uh i've got 60 seconds i want

4270
02:56:01,830 --> 02:56:00,479
your answer on this okay

4271
02:56:03,030 --> 02:56:01,840
um

4272
02:56:05,510 --> 02:56:03,040
what

4273
02:56:08,710 --> 02:56:05,520
how would you react

4274
02:56:10,550 --> 02:56:08,720
after spending so much time on q and on

4275
02:56:12,630 --> 02:56:10,560
i'm not suggesting anything that i know

4276
02:56:13,910 --> 02:56:12,640
anything i'm just being the devil's

4277
02:56:17,190 --> 02:56:13,920
advocate here

4278
02:56:18,630 --> 02:56:17,200
how would you react if you found out

4279
02:56:23,429 --> 02:56:18,640
q anon

4280
02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:23,439
was a couple of uh 25 year old kids

4281
02:56:26,710 --> 02:56:25,040
in tucson

4282
02:56:29,510 --> 02:56:26,720
having fun

4283
02:56:33,349 --> 02:56:29,520
how would you react to that to be honest

4284
02:56:37,429 --> 02:56:33,359
to be honest i wouldn't care because

4285
02:56:39,830 --> 02:56:37,439
it's the idea of it rather than

4286
02:56:42,469 --> 02:56:39,840
who is that guy

4287
02:56:43,910 --> 02:56:42,479
it's the idea of the whole

4288
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,920
i i mean

4289
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:46,160
pretty much

4290
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:48,240
he's been saying everything that all of

4291
02:56:58,230 --> 02:56:55,830
so all of us have already known that

4292
02:57:00,790 --> 02:56:58,240
there's a deep state and

4293
02:57:01,990 --> 02:57:00,800
all this what have you we've known this

4294
02:57:04,070 --> 02:57:02,000
for

4295
02:57:06,630 --> 02:57:04,080
you know

4296
02:57:08,790 --> 02:57:06,640
10 20 years

4297
02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:08,800
and now

4298
02:57:13,269 --> 02:57:10,560
it's just coming

4299
02:57:18,150 --> 02:57:16,070
faster yeah yeah tonight tonight those

4300
02:57:21,429 --> 02:57:18,160
are wise words

4301
02:57:23,269 --> 02:57:21,439
and as i start to roll the outro music

4302
02:57:25,910 --> 02:57:23,279
which i'm going to do right now

4303
02:57:28,389 --> 02:57:25,920
i want you to say to all the fader knots

4304
02:57:30,550 --> 02:57:28,399
go back lee tappy you ready

4305
02:57:34,150 --> 02:57:30,560
say it

4306
02:57:35,269 --> 02:57:34,160
go badly cafe i'll talk to you today

4307
02:57:36,870 --> 02:57:35,279
have a great night we'll see you

4308
02:57:37,990 --> 02:57:36,880
tomorrow night

4309
02:57:42,070 --> 02:57:38,000
a good night

4310
02:57:44,070 --> 02:57:42,080
tonight bringing it on strong

4311
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:44,080
here you go that's uh

4312
02:57:48,710 --> 02:57:45,840
that was pretty wise those are wise

4313
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:48,720
words she's a wise woman faded black's

4314
02:57:52,469 --> 02:57:50,640
executive producers rita kamarian shows

4315
02:57:54,790 --> 02:57:52,479
produced by him j palm rene dennis and

4316
02:57:57,510 --> 02:57:54,800
bob announcers are steve harder gene

4317
02:58:01,190 --> 02:57:57,520
vettel and mark d kovar webmaster is

4318
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:01,200
drew the geek music doug aldridge intro

4319
02:58:06,469 --> 02:58:04,479
spaceboy spaceboymusic.com

4320
02:58:08,150 --> 02:58:06,479
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4321
02:58:09,910 --> 02:58:08,160
the game changer network and syndication

4322
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:09,920
is kgra

4323
02:58:14,550 --> 02:58:11,840
the planet it's broadcast owned and

4324
02:58:16,870 --> 02:58:14,560
copyrighted 2019 by fade to black and

4325
02:58:19,590 --> 02:58:16,880
the game changer network it cannot be

4326
02:58:21,830 --> 02:58:19,600
rebroadcast downloaded copied or used

4327
02:58:23,590 --> 02:58:21,840
anywhere in the known universe without

4328
02:58:25,910 --> 02:58:23,600
written permission from fade to black or

4329
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:25,920
the game changer network i'm your host

4330
02:58:32,070 --> 02:58:29,120
jimmy church you know what that means

4331
02:58:35,670 --> 02:58:32,080
tomorrow night is fader nights open

4332
02:58:38,550 --> 02:58:35,680
lines all night long

4333
02:58:40,150 --> 02:58:38,560
until then follow me on twitter at

4334
02:58:43,510 --> 02:58:40,160
jchurchradio

4335
02:58:47,220 --> 02:58:43,520
i want everybody to be safe

4336
02:59:06,340 --> 02:58:47,230
go backly tappy